US Politics Thread

[Mr Kobayashi]

Do you believe just selling hate got him into the white house?

Serious question.

Remember, you would have to factor in all the poor that voted, the Black and Latino voter, women and the poorly educated.

How about the Cubans that voted for Trump in 2020 to stop communism?

Was that selling hope?

There are plenty of thick Americans taken in by empty promises. All politicians sell a bit of hope, even if it is for problems they caused (see Rishi and Liz).

Trump's campaign was more hateful than hopeful. A disgusting repugnant speech on his inauguration about America First is the perfect example of that.

Thick and uneducated people vote for simplistic solutions what is your point comparing him with Sanders unless you believe that Sander's policies were as equally detached from reality?

 

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[Bigga]

How about the Cubans that voted for Trump in 2020 to stop communism?

Was that selling hope?

There are plenty of thick Americans taken in by empty promises. All politicians sell a bit of hope, even if it is for problems they caused (see Rishi and Liz).

Trump's campaign was more hateful than hopeful. A disgusting repugnant speech on his inauguration about America First is the perfect example of that.

Thick and uneducated people vote for simplistic solutions what is your point comparing him with Sanders unless you believe that Sander's policies were as equally detached from reality?

The trouble is you're looking for direct comparable policies. I didn't suggest or offer that. I said they campaigned on similar things.

The difference being, Sanders' offer was genuine (you call his campaign "empty promises") whereas Trump's wasn't, obviously. Sanders hasn't ventured that far from 2016 and, in fact, is probably angling more that way in recent times with his latest speeches.

In 2020, Trump had traversed from outsider to insider, from businessman to politician, so using the Cuban voting strategy is pointless as Trump was already in. In 2016, Sanders AND Trump were both classed as 'outsiders'.

"Thick and uneducated people vote for simplistic solutions" which is why I feel sorry that they vote against their own interests because they're not given something to vote FOR.

That's a Dem issue.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

The trouble is you're looking for direct comparable policies. I didn't suggest or offer that. I said they campaigned on similar things.

The difference being, Sanders' offer was genuine (you call his campaign "empty promises") whereas Trump's wasn't, obviously. Sanders hasn't ventured that far from 2016 and, in fact, is probably angling more that way in recent times with his latest speeches.

In 2020, Trump had traversed from outsider to insider, from businessman to politician, so using the Cuban voting strategy is pointless as Trump was already in. In 2016, Sanders AND Trump were both classed as 'outsiders'.

"Thick and uneducated people vote for simplistic solutions" which is why I feel sorry that they vote against their own interests because they're not given something to vote FOR.

That's a Dem issue.

I didn't. If one is genuine and one is a fraud what is the point of the comparison?

 

[BobKowalski]

Where is the understanding that if the Dems actually made policy for people and not deny them the things acceptable to live by that they would keep out the GOP for years?

Was it not Obama not governing for the people that let the GOP in? Trump got in on a similar rhetoric that Sanders was on, but we know what he did with that.

You'd have to ask why the Dems would deny a politician that links very well with the people that opportunity to give them the seating power for years/ a decade at least.

The GOP don't win anything, the Dems let them in with poor policy.

No, that again lets the GOP off the hook, and puts all the blame on the Democrats - it’s like blaming the victim for the actions of the abuser.

 

[BobKowalski]

Do you believe just selling hate got him into the white house?

Serious question.

Remember, you would have to factor in all the poor that voted, the Black and Latino voter, women and the poorly educated.

The Trump vote was predominantly white, old and less educated. It was mainly built on resentment and fear. Resentment that favoured groups got ‘special treatment’ and fear that the white demographic was eroding.

Independents split 50/50.

An examination of the 2016 electorate, based on validated voters

One of the biggest challenges facing those who seek to understand U.S. elections is establishing an accurate portrait of the American electorate and the

www.pewresearch.org

 

[Bigga]

I didn't. If one is genuine and one is a fraud what is the point of the comparison?

Is it not the fact that HOPE was the thing people clung to, to change their current status?

I can't explain something that was pretty obvious in 2016 and why Trump got in, rather than people rely on more Dem lack of policy to help them.

But, it's okay, I'm 'talking shit' to some when the evidence was plain as day.

 

[Bigga]

The Trump vote was predominantly white, old and less educated. It was mainly built on resentment and fear. Resentment that favoured groups got ‘special treatment’ and fear that the white demographic was eroding.

Independents split 50/50.

An examination of the 2016 electorate, based on validated voters

One of the biggest challenges facing those who seek to understand U.S. elections is establishing an accurate portrait of the American electorate and the

www.pewresearch.org

It's an interesting link.

It suggests more White people came out to vote/ switched sides. The question would be if the voting numbers were down to allow that equation to rise.

If the latter is true, that would be people deciding NOT to vote for Clinton in terms of showing up, otherwise the GOP would never be in power in modern times with the currenting voting pattern.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

It's this sort of rhetoric that is dangerous. The GOP should condem it but they won't because they don't want to loose their base. This short term thinking is also dangerous. Nobody seems to be thinking about the damage all this rhetoric can do in the long term until its too late. I hope I am wrong because the consequences don't bear thinking about, not just for America.

It’s rhetoric. And some will buy it, and some will act in ways like this deranged fuckstick idiot did. Who is the general who commands the deranged fuckstick idiots? What about the colonels and lieutenants and sergeants? How do deranged fuckstick idiots act like disciplined soldiers with enough might to take on and down the nation? It’s why the civil war fears aren’t IMO very realistic.

This guy fired a nail gun, then ran to his car and then into a cornfield after an alarm sounded, then fired his gun when law enforcement was trying to take him alive. I’m really not especially frightened that a group of these types (which will be definitionally small) are anything for the nation to fear militarily, except as discrete terrorists.

I fear their votes a lot more than their guns.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Is it not the fact that HOPE was the thing people clung to, to change their current status?

I can't explain something that was pretty obvious in 2016 and why Trump got in, rather than people rely on more Dem lack of policy to help them.

But, it's okay, I'm 'talking shit' to some when the evidence was plain as day.

Do you have any evidence?