US Politics Thread

So you honestly believe there are a bunch of zombies in here that believe such shite?

You were moaning earlier that progressive politicians compromise when they get in to power, do you think it might clever politics in some cases rather than selling out?

Well, that depends on whether this 'clever politics', actually has an outcome in the near future or whether it gets caught up in the incrementalism progressive, originally, hated.

If it's the latter, progressives get assimilated into the neolib/ con system and then, what's the point of them if they vote along with everything with no challenge to what hurts the working class?
 
Well, that depends on whether this 'clever politics', actually has an outcome in the near future or whether it gets caught up in the incrementalism progressive, originally, hated.

If it's the latter, progressives get assimilated into the neolib/ con system and then, what's the point of them if they vote along with everything with no challenge to what hurts the working class?

The US political system is deliberately designed to be a slow drag to preserve the status quo. Other than armed uprisings what's the alternative to compromise and deal making?
 
The US political system is deliberately designed to be a slow drag to preserve the status quo. Other than armed uprisings what's the alternative to compromise and deal making?

Wait, what?

An alternative to 'compromise and deal making' would be to create a healthcare system the US citizen pays their taxes for or to fairly tax billionaire companies and wealth extracting individuals.

You already know the spiel. You already know people are in favour of certain actions to create a fairer equality to US life.

You have to ask why these politicians hedge business over people. The evidence is in the increasing strikes.

But, wait, I guess I'm the 'troll'...
 
Wait, what?

An alternative to 'compromise and deal making' would be to create a healthcare system the US citizen pays their taxes for or to fairly tax billionaire companies and wealth extracting individuals.

You already know the spiel. You already know people are in favour of certain actions to create a fairer equality to US life.

You have to ask why these politicians hedge business over people. The evidence is in the increasing strikes.

But, wait, I guess I'm the 'troll'...

Yes, creating something akin to the welfare state in a country with minimal paid holiday allowances isn't something that can be achieved without deal making.

You know this to be true.

How do you convince the Americans that are duped into believing that the Democrats are communists, that they need to pay more taxes for healthcare?
 
Yes, creating something akin to the welfare state in a country with minimal paid holiday allowances isn't something that can be achieved without deal making.

You know this to be true.

How do you convince the Americans that are duped into believing that the Democrats are communists, that they need to pay more taxes for healthcare?

What are you talking about?

The conversation is about paying LESS 'out of pocket', but taken out in taxes. They already pay taxes, insurance and 'out of pocket'. Somewhere in there, business pay for their employees and that dictates who they can see and where they can see them, leaving many working class workers with the inability to afford a $400 emergency visit to hospital.

If it went out in taxes, rather than 'out of pocket' wages would actually go up as companies would not pay for the employee as the Gov use some taxes for healthcare and that employee gets their own choice and see who they want!

You know, like the NHS.

Why do you think the US healthcare system likes to talk shit about the state of the NHS (current state helped by the Tories)? Cos they don't want the US citizen leaning towards this workable system.

This idea of 'single payer' was railed against by the Dems in the 'force the vote' controversy a couple of years back.
 
She will lose relevance soon. In fact is she relevant now? Shes just a district congressman isnt she. Conspiracy shit aside, she is meaningless.




And she still looks like a bloke
I’m not quite up to date on what is happening in America, although I do try to keep up, but some of these people seem to have been paid to promote this shit. Surely they cant be so stupid?
 
No, you don't seem to understand that the 'progressive wing' are not anywhere near as 'progressive' as they were when they came into Gov. They signed off on virtually everything the neolibs have put forward.

And explain Biden's stance on the rail strikes, wages, healthcare and the qualification for meagre debt relief. remember, he's not 'progressive'.

Really convenient to ignore these staple subjects to defend the more 'minor' stuff.

Biden isn’t “progressive”. He was elected for being moderate. It’s only right wing propaganda that has labeled him as socialist. He may not be as bad as Manchin and Sinema but he’s just as conservative as Pelosi.

Second, progressives like Bernie, AOC, Omar, Bowman and even Peltola voted down on forcing the rail workers to take that crappy deal. Bowman even introduced an amendment that passed the house that would have given the rail workers 7 paid sick days but guess what? It failed in the Senate with only 3 Republicans voting for it. While the other one without paid sick days passed 85-15 with Bernie being one of the dissenters.

Biden could have let the workers strike and in my opinion he should have. However, the political consequences for letting the rail workers strike and damaging the economy would have been on his and the Democrats head as the GOP and reactionary Americans would be demanding the strike to end.

Your view of politics is very reactionary. As much as you and I want the progressives want to nuke every neolib legislation by corporate/conservative democrats, that’s not good politics. If the progressive caucus did that the party apparatus would primary them until few to no progressives exist in Congress. Hell, they tried to primary AOC and Omar with corporate Dems but failed.
 
Biden isn’t “progressive”. He was elected for being moderate. It’s only right wing propaganda that has labeled him as socialist. He may not be as bad as Manchin and Sinema but he’s just as conservative as Pelosi.

Second, progressives like Bernie, AOC, Omar, Bowman and even Peltola voted down on forcing the rail workers to take that crappy deal. Bowman even introduced an amendment that passed the house that would have given the rail workers 7 paid sick days but guess what? It failed in the Senate with only 3 Republicans voting for it. While the other one without paid sick days passed 85-15 with Bernie being one of the dissenters.

Biden could have let the workers strike and in my opinion he should have. However, the political consequences for letting the rail workers strike and damaging the economy would have been on his and the Democrats head as the GOP and reactionary Americans would be demanding the strike to end.

Your view of politics is very reactionary. As much as you and I want the progressives want to nuke every neolib legislation by corporate/conservative democrats, that’s not good politics. If the progressive caucus did that the party apparatus would primary them until few to no progressives exist in Congress. Hell, they tried to primary AOC and Omar with corporate Dems but failed.

Yeah, I don't recall anyone in this whole thread mixing up Biden as a 'progressive' with being a moderate, but I'm glad you cleared that up.

Do you know that AOC, Bernie et al, got shredded by the people that supported them, formerly, for not supporting the actions taken by Amazon workers in strike action? They weren't making them same mistake on supporting the rail strike. At least they've shown up after a long time of not doing so.

So, let me get this straight, you think it was better for Biden to ban rail workers striking and continue the poor working conditions they're forced in, rather than create an executive order for the issue? As the billionaires keep coining it in, forcing these workers to do overtime with no sick leave and lack of staffing.

You look for the reason things can't be done, rather than question that reason.

I'm not 'reactionary' and I don't think you know how to attribute that word to me, so you just slapped it in. I have a principle for the working class that I realise more and more, falls into the minority in these threads.

Signed,

'The Troll'.
 

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