US Politics Thread

Blue_Lightsaber said:
Headed towards more trouble thanks to Musk and pals..

bylinetimes.com

‘Musk’s Twitter Buy Makes No Sense – Unless It’s Part of Something Bigger’

Brexit and Trump were initially seen as jokes, but the new owner of the social media giant could pose a serious threat to democracy – and a boon for Vladimir Putin, writes David Troy
bylinetimes.com bylinetimes.com
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This article makes some interesting points, but the comparison to Trump and Brexit is far-fetched IMO. There isn't going to be a national vote on Twitter vs. some other alternative. The marketplace will decide if Twitter remains the "public square", which is/was too far a reach to begin with as a description, or some other alternative emerges. I'm guessing the latter will given enough money and time.

And if Twitter and its current owner continues down the path toward despoiling it as he has, this may also infect his other brands which actually make money.

As an example, of the highest per capita ownership of Teslas by zip code in the USA, two of the three are in my county.

My county went 82% for Biden in 2020.

Teslas are now being described as "MAGA hats on wheels."

See if you can figure out where the purchase trend has been going the last month relative to other car brands here.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
This article makes some interesting points, but the comparison to Trump and Brexit is far-fetched IMO. There isn't going to be a national vote on Twitter vs. some other alternative. The marketplace will decide if Twitter remains the "public square", which is/was too far a reach to begin with as a description, or some other alternative emerges. I'm guessing the latter will given enough money and time.

And if Twitter and its current owner continues down the path toward despoiling it as he has, this may also infect his other brands which actually make money.

As an example, of the highest per capita ownership of Teslas by zip code in the USA, two of the three are in my county.

My county went 82% for Biden in 2020.

Teslas are now being described as "MAGA hats on wheels."

See if you can figure out where the purchase trend has been going the last month relative to other car brands here.
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I think the point of the article is earlier on it looked like a joke but then it wasn't a joke and it very much became something larger.

Same can be said for those that said same sex marriage.

So you're free to believe anything with the information at hand but just don't dismiss it as completely ridiculous.

The part that concerns me is his being pals with friends that obviously want to weaken America.. MBS/ Putin/ Xi. Trump is just a tool for them to control with money but there are enough people blind to the truth and thinking he's their savior that it might actually have a chance of being pulled off.

In 1946, Orwell wrote: We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: The only check on it is that sooner or later, a false belief bumps up against a solid reality, usually on a battlefield.
 
Bigga said:
Yeah, I don't recall anyone in this whole thread mixing up Biden as a 'progressive' with being a moderate, but I'm glad you cleared that up.

Do you know that AOC, Bernie et al, got shredded by the people that supported them, formerly, for not supporting the actions taken by Amazon workers in strike action? They weren't making them same mistake on supporting the rail strike. At least they've shown up after a long time of not doing so.

So, let me get this straight, you think it was better for Biden to ban rail workers striking and continue the poor working conditions they're forced in, rather than create an executive order for the issue? As the billionaires keep coining it in, forcing these workers to do overtime with no sick leave and lack of staffing.

You look for the reason things can't be done, rather than question that reason.

I'm not 'reactionary' and I don't think you know how to attribute that word to me, so you just slapped it in. I have a principle for the working class that I realise more and more, falls into the minority in these threads.

Signed,

'The Troll'.
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Im not giving Biden any passes or even agreeing to the decisions he has made. Im just explaining why he is doing what he does. I am very aware of the reality that many Dems that lead the party are like Biden. They are not true leftist. Take the student debt issue. Biden could very much use his executive power to eliminate them all. But probably for ideological reasons he won’t.

I wish there was a true workers party in America but for historical reasons one never came to be. I call you a reactionary because you seem to just want to lash out instead of understanding the political reality. I don’t want anyone to give the Dems any passes and I don’t mind harshly criticizing the Dems but I won’t pretend that their isn’t a clear lesser of two evils.

Change in America is always a gradual process. The fact we have things like the right to healthcare being added to the Oregon state constitution and places like Colorado that have instituted free school lunches in the recent midterm is progress.
 
Blue_Lightsaber said:
I think the point of the article is earlier on it looked like a joke but then it wasn't a joke and it very much became something larger.

Same can be said for those that said same sex marriage.

So you're free to believe anything with the information at hand but just don't dismiss it as completely ridiculous.

The part that concerns me is his being pals with friends that obviously want to weaken America.. MBS/ Putin/ Xi. Trump is just a tool for them to control with money but there are enough people blind to the truth and thinking he's their savior that it might actually have a chance of being pulled off.

In 1946, Orwell wrote: We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: The only check on it is that sooner or later, a false belief bumps up against a solid reality, usually on a battlefield.
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I guess I don’t agree with the premise that the Twitter purchase makes no sense in the first place. It makes total sense if you think of Musk as a guy who can’t/won’t admit a loss because it’s not on-brand, who got over his skis with his public pronouncements, and then swallowed the deal because he was going to be forced to legally anyway. Else why would he have tried to weasel out of it originally?

Trying to make economic sense of it is what never made sense, so to say people are dismissing it as nuts due to the “economics” isn’t what’s happening IMO (I mean I think the author’s premise is wrong, not yours). Indeed, rich people have been buying all sorts of toys that make no sense economically for literal centuries. People in power overreach all the time. Ask just about every “emperor.”

As for the Orwell quote, it should be directed at another poster, though as Orwell foreshadows, it won’t do any good :/.
 
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FogBlueInSanFran said:
This article makes some interesting points, but the comparison to Trump and Brexit is far-fetched IMO. There isn't going to be a national vote on Twitter vs. some other alternative. The marketplace will decide if Twitter remains the "public square", which is/was too far a reach to begin with as a description, or some other alternative emerges. I'm guessing the latter will given enough money and time.

And if Twitter and its current owner continues down the path toward despoiling it as he has, this may also infect his other brands which actually make money.

As an example, of the highest per capita ownership of Teslas by zip code in the USA, two of the three are in my county.

My county went 82% for Biden in 2020.

Teslas are now being described as "MAGA hats on wheels."

See if you can figure out where the purchase trend has been going the last month relative to other car brands here.
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I'm currently in CA and there a shit loads of Telsa's knocking about (along with numerous pointless trucks of varying sizes)

I'm willing to bet sales have taken a fairly hefty hit with the yoghurt knitting coast dwellers and Dem voters.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
She's in a safe district. Getting primaried is the only way to get rid of her, and that won't be easy.

(https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/results-georgia-house-district-14.html)

Unless the GOP pull back from the brink of MAGA she's going to have an awful lot of of influence over the next few years.
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Over who? Likeminded weirdos who have predilections for what she says anyway. She wont influence people she will just speak to her supporters.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
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They should be careful what they wish for. THEY assume that they would win, but what if WE won in an all out civil war? After all, we won the first time.

Frankly, I think we would win because after all we are the smart ones and YOUNGER. While their base is fast aging out of the voting population!
 
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