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FogBlueInSanFran said:
LOL. I’ve already demonstrated that, and do it regularly. Go ask Bigga. Or ask Rascal.

No one is mistaking me for a leftist except you.

So — in an incredible shock — you’re wrong. Again.
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Point me to the evidence mate. Point me to the evidence.

I'll watit :)
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
LOL. I’ve already demonstrated that, and do it regularly. Go ask Bigga. Or ask Rascal.

No one is mistaking me for a leftist except you.

So — in an incredible shock — you’re wrong. Again.
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Don't talk bollocks. You're a male version of Dippy Goldberg
 
Dax777 said:
Point me to the evidence mate. Point me to the evidence.

I'll watit :)
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Goddamn, for an anti-socialist, you sure want everything done for you.

I already told you what to do. So go find it yourself. I’m not going to bother looking for your non both-sides posts. There aren’t any.

As I’ve written a number of times, here’s who I’ve voted for starting in 84: Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Romney, Clinton, Biden. Each and every time, the candidate I felt was most pragmatic in his/her approach to solving problems, not respective of party. Though my last two votes were absolutely a function of understanding what a danger Trump is/was (which — as I’ll remind you — I got spot on while you were fucking totally wrong).
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
Goddamn, for an anti-socialist, you sure want everything done for you.
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No, I ask that people provide evidence of their claims. You know, the same requirements I ask of myself.

But of course. You are one of those types who require of others what you don't of yourself.

FogBlueInSanFran said:
I already told you what to do. So go find it yourself. I’m not going to bother looking for your non both-sides posts. There aren’t any.
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It doesn't exist. I'm not going on some dumb fairytale search.

FogBlueInSanFran said:
As I’ve written a number of times, here’s who I’ve voted for starting in 84: Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Romney, Clinton, Biden. Each and every time, the candidate I felt was most pragmatic in his/her approach to solving problems, not respective of party.
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No one asked you who you voted for. Just evidence of your 1 week of criticizing the worst of the left. You can't. Coz you won't.?
FogBlueInSanFran said:
Though my last two votes were absolutely a function of understanding what a danger Trump is/was (which — as I’ll remind you — I got spot on while you were fucking totally wrong).
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Lol. In your delusional mind, sure. You were.

I suppose I can't ask about what exactly you were right and I was wrong about can I? I know how averse to actual evidence you like being.

But if the spirit ever gets a hold of you. Feel free to add some, you know, evidentiary context.

Again, I'll wait :)
 
Dax777 said:
It doesn't exist. I'm not going on some dumb fairytale search.
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Mr. Objective, always hunting for "evidence". Already concluded that there isn't any.

Told where to go to find it (twice). Not only that, even suggested third party corroboration independent of me. Hell, they might agree with you -- then you'd really have one-upped me.

"No."

Well, then.
 
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Dax777 said:
They are not very reliable for many reasons. I'll demonstrate.below

There are multiple problems with Politifacts. It's quite obvious they lean heavily left once you examine their ratings closely.

So let's do just that: Examine some examples of seemingly questionable fact-checks

Tucker Carlson:
Claim: Says Kamala Harris "said she believed that Joe Biden committed sexual assault against various women.”
Politifacts Conclusion: MOSTLY FALSE.

Now let's dig deeper:
  • Over the span of a few days in 2019, four women accused Joe Biden of inappropriate touching, holding or kissing. To which Harris said she believed those women.
  • On April 2, 2019, then-candidate Kamala Harris said about these four women: “I believe them, and I respect them being able to tell their story and having the courage to do it
Why then did Politifacts conclude Carlson was Mostly False?

Apparently, Tucker's claim is MOSTLY false coz the women did not explicitly claim sexual assault. "Some explicitly said it wasn’t.:"

Now, here Politifacts gave us this definition of sexual assault.

Sexual assault refers to "sexual contact or behavior that occurs without explicit consent of the victim,"

So we know one element 'without consent' was satisfied. The question is now whether the acts were sexual contact or behaviors and whether the women felt they were victimized.

Now let's fact check Politifacts here:
Let's examine those contacts that were NOT sexual assault. In 2016 after sharing her sexual assault story, Caitlin Caruso claimed Biden "hugged her just a little bit too long and then laid his hand on her thighs."

Here's how she described it to the NY Times "It doesn’t even really cross your mind that such a person would dare perpetuate harm like that,”

In what way does the above description NOT implicate Sexual Assault? But apparently, because she didn't actually bust out the words 'sexual assault. Politifacts concluded it is false to characterize it as such.

Below is a link to the 4 womens story from.left leaning 'The Cut"


This Carlson claim by most fair standard is ALL true.

It's True about what Harris said. 2. True about what Harris was implying when she said it. And 3. True about the experience of at least 2 of those women.

Yet Politifacts concludes it's most false.

Thats Politifacts for you.

I have a few more examples on both Tucker and Maddow I can use as an examples. But this is getting long and I doubt you are really interested in them.


You should read the fact checks themselves! Not just the summaries or graphs.

Let me know if you want the writeup on the Maddow's ridiculous Mostly True fact check and how it's problematic.

To conclude here is Larry Elder's descriptions of Politifacts fact checking his claims in which they concluded his claims were FALSE!
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After carefully reviewing your entire post, it seems to me that you make a great argument in favor of Politifacts' neutrality. Politifact is spot on in its assessment of Tucker's claims about sexual harassment as it pertains to Joe Biden and what Harris has stated and believes.

Your torturous misinterpretation of facts designed to fit a right-leaning agenda leaves common sense far behind.

Are you sure you didn't vote for Trump in 2016? 'cause he seems to be right up your alley.
 
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BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
After carefully reviewing your entire post, it seems to me that you make a great argument in favor of Politifacts' neutrality. Politifact is spot on in its assessment of Tucker's claims about sexual harassment as it pertains to Joe Biden and what Harris has stated and believes.

Your torturous misinterpretation of facts designed to fit a right-leaning agenda leaves common sense far behind.

Are you sure you didn't vote for Trump in 2016? 'cause he seems to be right up your alley.
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Lord have Mercy!

How about on the Larry Elder video? Neutral too? Let's see if you can make it 3 for 3.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
Mr. Objective, always hunting for "evidence". Already concluded that there isn't any.

Told where to go to find it (twice). Not only that, even suggested third party corroboration independent of me. Hell, they might agree with you -- then you'd really have one-upped me.

"No."

Well, then.
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You know, a simple link would suffice. I'll count out the 7 days myself. You don't even need to do that. Just a simple god-damned link.

Not asking for too much here am I?
 
The GQP lunatics are challenging two primary results in Pennsylvania because the Dumb Donald backed morons didn't win. They lost one of the races by 20 percent but they've had sixteen petitions for a recount because of "fraud" that they have no evidence of. One of the guys they're against actually went to a local "freedom fest" event last summer full of conspiracy whack jobs but he's still not extreme enough for them.

Basically they're claiming voter fraud only against republicans (because in PA primaries you can only vote for your party's candidates) but then they'll claim it's only Democrats in the general election. None of them are smart enough to realize how stupid this sounds.
 
Criticism of the [far] left, criticism of the right.

I think I'll criticise the centre left/ moderate/ neolibs even more...



The irony being this particular media is TOTALLY centre left and they're cussing out Biden's administration!

And who the fuck can't spell 'exodus'??
 
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