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west didsblue said:
The Dems fault that Garland was blocked for a year. Course it was.

The problem is that the Dems tend to try and be bipartisan and try to operate within the spirit of the law as well as the letter. The GOP do what they can get away with including lying and cheating.

I suppose it’s fair to blame the Dems for not being cunts.

What they should do is increase the number from 9 to 13 and appoint 4 more. Not an ideal way to do things but probably the only way if they don’t want the US to regress 100 years.
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It's the right time to do a National Divorce.

We hate each other.
That will never change.

Do we want to be at each other's necks all the time or just go our own way..

Lets do the divorce before we kill each other in another uncivil war.
 
buckshot said:
You have no idea. We literally have one state that allows prostitution. Our whole "states rights" thing is bananas.
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I don’t think of it as bananas because we’re an enormous nation with diverse rural/urban needs, even more so today than 250 years ago. I grant it can be bizarre in practice. California allows lane—splitting by motorcycles. In New Jersey and Oregon, you aren’t allowed to pump your own gas nearly anywhere. However, on an issue like this, the biggest problem for me is the destruction of stare decisis — respect for precedent interpretations — specifically because the Constitution was designed to be a living document that breathed with times. The framers said so, repeatedly. Thomas has made it clear he has absolutely no interest in it — he’ll go after any and all due process interpretations and mold them as he sees fit. Except for Loving, of course.
 
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Yes I have seen that, but that’s one extreme view, now removed I believe. The fact is that most anti-abortionists have their opinion from a religious standpoint and in the UK over 55% (2020) of the population express having no faith whatsoever. It’s half that in the US (2019). Additionally the UK religious and their leaders are far less fanatical on such matters.

We just don’t have such a ridiculous political system.

Very sad day and I can’t imagine what some women are going through right now.
 
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hgblue said:
Bear with me here because I'm no expert on American politics, but don't supreme court nominees have to be approved by the senate? Presumably the Democrats didn't have the votes to get their nominee approved?
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They didn’t have the votes and thus no mechanism for them to ”do something”. People who hate democrats anyway like to trod this out as some sort of gotcha but there is never any sort of alternate plan offered which would’ve had any plausible chance of changing the outcome.
 
ZenHalfTimeCrock said:
Just on the off-chance that anyone on this thread runs into a pro-life Christian fundamentalist whose opposition to abortion is based on the Bible, I would begin by stating that it is never specifically referred to.

The nearest point of reference is to be found in the book of Exodus where the punishment for causing a woman to miscarry was merely a fine.

Moreover, Ecclesiastes 4v3 states ‘Yet better than both [the living and the dead] is he who has never existed, who has not seen the evil work that is done under the sun’.

Here the author appears to argue that ending what might turn out to be a painful existence might be a good thing. In other words, he seems to be saying that the quality of a potential life, rather than its sanctity, is what matters.

And he was not alone in this argument. Consider the words of another Old Testament character Job, a man of great faith and wealth, who after experiencing a series of personal disasters, complained that he would have been better off if his life had been terminated as a fetus: “Why then hast Thou brought me out of the womb? Would that I had died and no eye had seen me! I should have been as though I had not been, carried from womb to tomb.”

There is also one passage in which a Jewish king, Menahem, someone who might therefore be assumed to be acting in the name of God, does the following: ‘….starting from Tirzah, Menahem attacked Tiphsah, all who were in it, and its territory. Because they wouldn’t surrender, he attacked it and ripped open all the pregnant women.’ (2 Kings Chapter 15 verse 16).

Passages such as these could therefore potentially be used to suggest that the Bible supports abortion, or at least that the Biblical position is not as clear cut as some Christians who are opposed to abortion tend to imagine.

Additionally, a Christian who believes that a fetus is sacred and a human being from the moment of conception would be committed to saving a tray of 20 newly fertilised human embryos rather than a five year old child were a fire to break out in a fertility lab and they could only save one or the other, which is obviously bizarre.

Hopefully, that might give them something to think about.

Barking mad Christian fundamentalists arrogantly assume that they know the Bible better than others. Well they fucking don’t! And neither do cunts like Rees-Mogg.
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For what it's worth, you are my favorite poster on political threads. As you are almost always in-depth with your analysis and often draw from experts. We clearly lean very different, but I enjoy your write-ups nonetheless

But unfortunately, this isn't one of your better write-ups. I sensed ( and I could be wrong) a whif of disdain for fundamentalist types and their arguments, that caused you to not put a similar level of effort into the analysis to this writeup as you have to those of your many other write-ups in the past.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
I don’t think of it as bananas because we’re an enormous nation with diverse rural/urban needs, even more so today than 250 years ago. I grant it can be bizarre in practice. California allows lane—splitting by motorcycles. In New Jersey and Oregon, you aren’t allowed to pump your own gas nearly anywhere. However, on an issue like this, the biggest problem for me is the destruction of stare decisis — respect for precedent interpretations — specifically because the Constitution was designed to be a living document that breathed with times. The framers said so, repeatedly. Thomas has made it clear he has absolutely no interest in it — he’ll go after any and all due process interpretations and mold them as he sees fit. Except for Loving, of course.
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Come on Foggy, you can do it. Say it with your chest out. :)
 
Dax777 said:
For what it's worth, you are my favorite poster on political threads. As you are almost always in-depth with your analysis and often draw from experts. We clearly lean very different, but I enjoy your write-ups nonetheless

But unfortunately, this isn't one of your better write-ups. I sensed ( and I could be wrong) a whif of disdain for fundamentalist types and their arguments, that caused you to not put a similar level of effort into the analysis to this writeup as you have to those of your many other write-ups in the past.
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Never trust anyone that doesn’t have disdain for “fundamentalist types”.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
I don’t think of it as bananas because we’re an enormous nation with diverse rural/urban needs, even more so today than 250 years ago. I grant it can be bizarre in practice. California allows lane—splitting by motorcycles. In New Jersey and Oregon, you aren’t allowed to pump your own gas nearly anywhere. However, on an issue like this, the biggest problem for me is the destruction of stare decisis — respect for precedent interpretations — specifically because the Constitution was designed to be a living document that breathed with times. The framers said so, repeatedly. Thomas has made it clear he has absolutely no interest in it — he’ll go after any and all due process interpretations and mold them as he sees fit. Except for Loving, of course.
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The only legitimate issue I have read on the decision.
 
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