US Politics Thread

[Dax777]

What gives you (or any man) the right to choose what happens to a woman’s body?

I have no interest in choosing what happens to a woman's body.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I have no interest in choosing what happens to a woman's body.

Ok, why would you have any say on whether a woman has an abortion or not? It’s nothing to do with you.

 

[MeatnSpudsMCFC]

Years ago, people here in the UK used to clamour for a written constitution. Problematic if you don’t accept a changing environment and the decision comes down to a small number of individuals and their own interpretation.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Sounds to me like those who have are controlling them that have not.

Repressive regime, even when not in power.

Backwards world, the US is no longer a leader of the West.

 

[Bonzo Nododo]

Do you think a parent who would have otherwise aborted their child, is more likely to in some way neglect the child when born?

How should l know about what a hypothetical 'parent' might do in a hypothetical situation in presumably
La La Land?
I don't know if you are a parent or not but imagine you were and your daughter or daughter in law rushed home to show you a pic of the scan. Then think on that that small human being you can developing was in the bracket for 'the chop' because it was inconvenient for the mother.
Or even worse imagine a smiling mother with a baby born just a few hours earlier. In the eyes of some of these protestors they think there should a right to destroy it right up to the day before birth. Look at a picture of a new born and imagine what it was like just a few days before.
Worse still what it that very late abortion failed and the child is born normally. What would your solution be to the problem of that healty live birth? Slit its throat for being an inconvenience?
Ugh. Revolting again but that one is for you.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Abortion cannot be banned, it can only be made illegal, forcing women into a very, very difficult decision….often while the man dances off into his future.

If men had babies and the world was run by women, this place would fucking burn!

 

[Bigga]

But freely available contraception has already pushed abortion rates down.

It’s a failsafe. Nobody who uses the service, apart from vulnerable people with mental health issues think otherwise.

It’s a traumatic experience and I don't think many women would choose to undergo it for a second time if they could avoid it.

I think the abortion rate has gone down from a 1m in a year down to around 750k in 2019 (I think this is the last true recorded data) and then Covid hit.

It will be interesting to see the next recorded data up until this new ruling takes effect.

In fact, whilst writing this response, I had a quick look online and found that Abortion Rates Rose in 2020...

There's blame for the Trump administration as you mentioned before, fair enough, but there's also a very peculiar catch all phrase of "unintended pregnancies" which, to me, means 'irresponsibility'.

 

[Dax777]

Ok, why would you have any say on whether a woman has an abortion or not? It’s nothing to do with you.

Personally, no. But there is the life of another human being involved in abortion.

It's the same way I wouldn't have any interest or say in what someone does with their own property. Unless, you know, that property just so happens to be another human being. Then it gets a little dicey.

It's kinda how the Slavery argument thingy played out. Some thought others shouldn't have a right or say on what they did with their property. Others thought, well that's true unless what you call property is another human being.

Now, you'd argue a baby in the womb isn't a person. They'd argue it is and both side would proffer arguments for what makes their position right.

But as you can see, there is an discussion to be had

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Personally, no. But there is the life of another human being involved in abortion.

It's the same way I wouldn't have any interest or say in what someone does with their own property. Unless, you know, that property just so happens to be another human being. Then it gets a little dicey.

It's kinda how the Slavery argument thingy played out. Some thought others shouldn't have a right or say on what they did with their property. Others thought, well that's true unless what you call property is another human being.

Now, you'd argue a baby in the womb isn't a person. They'd argue it is and both side would proffer arguments for what makes their position right.

But as you can see, there is an discussion to be had

Not really. The rest of the first world disagrees with that.

Your country is being overrun by religion and populism.

No other first world country would ever consider banning abortions. Not even the land of the catholics in Italy.

This ruling is nothing to do with abortions really, it’s about the abuse of power.

 

[Bigga]

FFS Bigga... Personal responsibility? You sound like a Right Winger. Are you Riyadh Mahrez?

I appreciate you 'challenging yourself' as you have. But I'll stop short of commending you. As it is EASIER to "challenge" the prevailing viewpoint on the ideological side you belong to when you don't have skin in the game.

Here, the issue is about women and their rights. None of which applies directly to you. It'd be more impressive to see you challenge yourself on issues that directly apply to you... I.e. Leftist stands on Black issues. Now that would be impressive.

But overall, I agree there is a discussion to be had here. Even though some are pretending it's an open and shut case and they are on the side of the angels. I'm not so sure they are Right.

I'm not sure what you're talking about, but for the right wing thinking "a broken clock is correct twice a day" applies in some cases. VERY very few, mind.

As for Black issues, like every other issue, there's blurring. The only thing I agree with is that the Dem party don't serve the Black cause very well with its "well meaning" intentions offering platitudes than actual policy.

As a whole, though, you're pretty much wrong for me, but that's fine.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

I think the abortion rate has gone down from a 1m in a year down to around 750k in 2019 (I think this is the last true recorded data) and then Covid hit.

It will be interesting to see the next recorded data up until this new ruling takes effect.

In fact, whilst writing this response, I had a quick look online and found that Abortion Rates Rose in 2020...

There's blame for the Trump administration as you mentioned before, fair enough, but there's also a very peculiar catch all phrase of "unintended pregnancies" which, to me, means 'irresponsibility'.

I was using general stats not just USA. For the reasons I mentioned as well as the fact that the USA is an outlier in that it has no universal healthcare system, it isn't reliable to use as a case study for that correlation.

 

[55yr old teenager]

But freely available contraception has already pushed abortion rates down.

It’s a failsafe. Nobody who uses the service, apart from vulnerable people with mental health issues think otherwise.

It’s a traumatic experience and I don't think many women would choose to undergo it for a second time if they could avoid it.

I personally have never had an abortion, but I have had friends who have had multiple abortions. To make a mistake once is forgivable, to keep making the same mistake in relation to having multiple abortions is morally indefensible in my view. I will admit they went down in my estimation after this.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I personally have never had an abortion, but I have had friends who have had multiple abortions. To make a mistake once is forgivable, to keep making the same mistake in relation to having multiple abortions is morally indefensible in my view. I will admit they went down in my estimation after this.

Why?

 

[Bigga]

I was using general stats not just USA. For the reasons I mentioned as well as the fact that the USA is an outlier in that it has no universal healthcare system, it isn't reliable to use as a case study for that correlation.

So what is the point in discussing your point outside a 'Roe vs Wade' issue?

 

[Bigga]

I personally have never had an abortion, but I have had friends who have had multiple abortions. To make a mistake once is forgivable, to keep making the same mistake in relation to having multiple abortions is morally indefensible in my view. I will admit they went down in my estimation after this.

I think someone is asking why it's wrong for abortion to be used as a contraception...

 

[55yr old teenager]

Why?

In this day and age there is no defense for having multiple abortions. I'm not anti abortion. Maybe I was being judgemental with them. I just can't reconcile when women repeatedly get pregnant and have abortions which is generally an entirely preventable situation.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

In this day and age there is no defense for having multiple abortions. I'm not anti abortion. Maybe I was being judgemental with them. I just can't reconcile when women repeatedly get pregnant and have abortions which is generally an entirely preventable situation.

Why?

 

[55yr old teenager]

I think someone is asking why it's wrong for abortion to be used as a contraception...

Didn't see that. Abortions should never be used as a form of contraception. That is morally so wrong. I would have to question why somebody with a modicum of Intelligence would even suggest that is acceptable.

 

[Dax777]

Not really. The rest of the first world disagrees with that.

Your country is being overrun by religion and populism.

No other first world country would ever consider banning abortions. Not even the land of the catholics in Italy.

This ruling is nothing to do with abortions really, it’s about the abuse of power.

The rest of the first world disagrees with what exactly?

For the record, Overturning Roe v. Wade did not ban abortion.

And you are right, the ruling was about the abuse of power. The 5 Justices concluded that 9 Justices in 1972 overstepped their Judicial powers by creating a law they had no business creating. I agree with them. And here is the kicker. Almost no one disagrees with them. Not even the dissenting Justices. Such laws should have been made by a legislature elected by the people. Not 9 unelected men.

As you put it, like other 'First World nations', the U.S. should reach it's pro-abortion stance like everyone else. At the ballot!

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

The rest of the first world disagrees with what exactly?

For the record, Overturning Roe v. Wade did not ban abortion.

And you are right, the ruling was about the abuse of power. The 5 Justices concluded that 9 Justices in 1972 overstepped their Judicial powers by creating a law they had no business creating. I agree with them. And here is the kicker. Almost no one disagrees with them. Not even the dissenting Justices. Such laws should have been made by a legislature elected by the people. Not 9 unelected men.

As you put it, like other 'First World nations', the U.S. should reach it's pro-abortion stance like everyone else. At the ballot!

Ok mate. It’s not changed anything. Women are grumpy for no reason. They’re probably on their period or something.

Same sex marriage will be next.

Its ok though. You’re making your country “better”.