US Politics Thread

[SWP's back]

We gave biden all three branches and he’s done nothing. Disgraceful.

The only thing that’s a fucking joke is those two sentences.

 

[ADegenerate]

The American Jihad is coming, endorsed by God, himself, herself, non-binary...

The only question is whether they go Russia or China first!

We won’t even get the “commie” benefits either. This is bullshit. The propaganda is already kicking in. Our oligarchs are agitated that we’re not reproducing enough.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

@tolmie's hairdoo hey mate not an American, and not overly religious, and I have no care for Pence.

However, painting a generalized stroke for all religious folks as fucktards is not ok.

Having started as a leftist in my
Younger years I find myself drifting more centre Right.

Gone are the days where both sides could meet in the middle and there is no Centre anymore. Which leaves a huge block of voters high and dry and you have to
Make these days a call for the nut jobs on the left or the nutters on the right.

De Sanctis I feel is that man for the centre, a man who stands for no nonsense bullshit and speaks common sense is the man if I was an American would vote for.

The man literally called the bullshit around Lea Thomas the Trans swimmer and when the female swimmers felt no one was backing them and were scared to speak up. So glad FINA finally came to its senses and won’t allow trans to compete with females.

You cannot change biology of 20+ years and testosterone with couple years of hormone blockers.


And finally De Sanctis Florida bill of No primary school and kindergarten teachers allowed to talk about sex and Straight Gay or Trans up to the age of 7 if I recall is bloody common sense.

I as a parent of two don’t want my kids in kindergarten being talked and influenced about sex. They are too young to comprehend and understand and process that stuff.


It’s with topics like this I hope he brings the country together. This for me is a man that speaks common sense. And doesn’t acknowledge the bullshit that is going on in that country.

So in summary for me he ain’t a GIMP.

Lol. Desantis is a racist among other things.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Lol. Desantis is a racist among other things.

He's definitely a c*nt.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

The mechanisms that the Founding Fathers put in place to keep the judiciary extraneous to politics (as much as is possible) have now conspired, due to politics and circumstance, to provide exactly the outcome they were consciously seeking to avoid.

I find it truly astonishing how little debate there appears to be about how the Constitution, a set of rules and systems principally drawn up before industrialisation, simply isn’t fit for purpose any more.

I have posted before about the break up of the Union and I am more convinced than ever that we will witness something significant along those lines in the next 25-50 years. It’s simply not sustainable in its present format with the manifest and profound divisions within that society and the prevailing intransigence around the Constitution.

Something will have to give eventually.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

He's definitely a c*nt.

Yeah I didn't want to start a list but that is true.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

The mechanisms that the Founding Fathers put in place to keep the judiciary extraneous to politics (as much as is possible) have now conspired, due to politics and circumstance, to provide exactly the outcome they were consciously seeking to avoid.

I find it truly astonishing how little debate there appears to be about how the Constitution, a set of rules and systems principally drawn up before industrialisation, simply isn’t fit for purpose any more.

I posted before about the break up of the Union and I am more convinced than ever that we will witness something significant along those lines in the next 25-50 years. It’s simply not sustainable in its present format with the manifest and profound divisions within that society and the prevailing intransigence around the Constitution.

Something will have to give eventually.

There are a lot of things wrong with the constitution. The foundations of their very nation are crumbling and I fear that if they don't address this sooner rather than later then they are pretty much doomed to failure and the breakup of the union is inevitable .

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

There are a lot of things wrong with the constitution. The foundations of their very nation is crumbling and I fear that if they don't address this sooner rather than later then they are pretty much doomed to failure and the breakup of the union is inevitable .

It’s genuinely absurd that a document that is about a quarter of a millennia old is deemed to be so untouchable, given the overwhelming changes in that time, especially given it’s plainly no longer working.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

It’s genuinely absurd that a document that is about a quarter of a millennia old is deemed to be so untouchable, given the overwhelming changes in that time, especially given it’s plainly no longer working.

The 'Oath of Allegiance' were they all swear an oath to uphold the constitution is pretty much like you or I pledging to live our lives by Magna Carta which would be plainly absurd.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

It’s genuinely absurd that a document that is about a quarter of a millennia old is deemed to be so untouchable, given the overwhelming changes in that time, especially given it’s plainly no longer working.

Do these nuts know even their beloved Bible has been tailored to suit a few times...

 

[ADegenerate]

The 'Oath of Allegiance' were they all swear an oath to uphold the constitution is pretty much like you or I pledging to live our lives by Magna Carta which would be plainly absurd.

We’re built upon slavery and genocide. There’s no debate. That’s the thing. That’s Americas foundation.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Do these nuts know even their beloved Bible has been tailored to suit a few times...

They can always quote you a passage in the Bible that suits their current agenda which is meant to be taken 'literally' and any passage that contradicts their position is conveniently not meant to be taken literally.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

They can always quote you a passage in the Bible that suits their current agenda which is meant to be taken 'literally' and any passage that contradicts their position is conveniently not meant to be taken literally.

Love thy neighbour, unless she needs an abortion?

God has a plan, usually when little school kids are being shot to death in their classrooms.

That's never far from being trotted out.

 

[City14]

Sounds like Trans issues are a major factor in your life. I would imagine most people have very little understanding of the issues relating to Trans rights and probably have little interest, so it's unlikely he's going to bring people together who are more concerned with issues like abortion, gun control, investment, infrastructure and countless other issues that actually have a direct effect on most people's lives. I think it's quite likely you're in a minority along with the religious fundamentalists.

As I mentioned centre right isn’t there anymore. I am kiwi and I come from a country where I stand for women having right to abortion, and staunchly against guns.

However investment and infrastructure investment from what I understand is on the up in Florida. Internal migration to the state is also on the up.

Trans topic is not a big issue in my life but I can see how ridiculous it’s becoming.

Being religious is not something which is wrong. It does provide a good structure and morals for a lot of people.

I come from a family which is inter religion a Christian mom and Sikh Father. And I’ve learnt to respect religion be spritual.

All I am saying is for people to call out religious folks as fuck tards just because you yourself are not religious doesn’t give one a
Moral high ground.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Love they neighbour, unless she needs an abortion?

God has a plan, usually when little school kids are being shot to death in their classrooms.

That's never far from being trotted out.

I bet most of the nu jobs celebrating the change in Rowe v Wade were - ironically - those who when presented with a mask mandate screamed "my body my choice"

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Back on the topic of stare decisis and the strange way the Court looked at eviscerating privacy for abortion but claiming other due process cases weren’t at risk, here’s a piece which argues interestingly otherwise.

 

[laserblue]

By sharing this I am hoping to unburden myself... really sorry about that.

That's Trump doing an impersonation of his disciple Tucker Carlson having a particularly difficult shit. No wonder Carlson always has that pained look on his face.

 

[laserblue]

They can always quote you a passage in the Bible that suits their current agenda which is meant to be taken 'literally' and any passage that contradicts their position is conveniently not meant to be taken literally.

Unless your name's Donald Trump. When he said that his favourite book is the Bible (to reinforce his validation with the religious right nutters) he was asked in an interview to quote his favourite verse. He shifted uncomfortably in his chair, spluttered and changed the subject.

 

[ZenHalfTimeCrock]

Back on the topic of stare decisis and the strange way the Court looked at eviscerating privacy for abortion but claiming other due process cases weren’t at risk, here’s a piece which argues interestingly otherwise.

That’s an interesting article.

Basing arguments against abortion on potentiality are suspect anyway.

For example, some readers of this thread probably have the potential to become the Prime Minister or President of their country, at which point they will receive special rights and privileges e.g. police protection/bodyguards.

But it would be absurd to say that here and now they have the right to a bodyguard and a stretch limo with tinted, bullet-proof windows because they are a potential Prime Minister/President. By extension, even if a fetus is a potential human being this does not mean that it should be entitled to the same rights that we have.

On the issue of potentiality, the philosopher Jonathan Glover had this to say in his influential book Causing Death and Saving Lives:

‘The problem with using the foetus’s potential for developing into a person as an anti-abortion argument is that this suggests that the person it will become is what is really valued. It is hard to see how this potential argument can come to any more than saying that abortion is wrong because a person who would have existed in the future will not exist if an abortion is performed. I would not be here if my mother, when pregnant with me, had opted for abortion. But equally I would not be here if my parents had used an effective contraceptive. It is hard to see how the potential argument can succeed against abortion without also succeeding against contraception. And even those who are against both normally want to say that abortion is worse than contraception.’

Of course, those militantly stupid fundamentalists who oppose abortion, especially the ones aligned with what is known as the Quiverfull movement (worth a Google), would probably be quite happy to have the sale of artificial forms of contraceptive banned too, as the article mentions.

 

[Dax777]

Yep, I fear you may be right.

If Pence stabs Trump in the back, then possibly him and the Florida gimp on the same ticket?

Whichever order the religious fucktards ordain?

Trump, Desantis and Pence are headed towards a 3 man battle for the Republican ticket.

The hope is that the Democrats can neutralize Trump and make it a Pence v DeSantis battle.