US Politics Thread

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I was going to post this earlier but got distracted — to clarify the implication — the Jan 6 hearings have NOT all been “hearsay”. If we look at the witness list, and read the transcripts, there’s first person eyewitness testimony everywhere. In addition, it’s a Congressional hearing, not a trial. In a trial, those named as witnesses by 3rd party witnesses saying they were told such and such can be deposed, or subpoenaed. And all in either hearing or trial are under oath. And perjury is a crime in either case. So while this may not be enough to damn him (and some of his most stalwart defenders like major newspapers are beginning to retreat, like the Washington Examiner), there’s been an undeniable impact.

You may be right about the ultimate outcome of this, but let’s make sure to get the facts right first.

Frequently so much misunderstanding about what constitutes hearsay. tbf it can be hugely complicated.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

I was going to post this earlier but got distracted — to clarify the implication — the Jan 6 hearings have NOT all been “hearsay”. If we look at the witness list, and read the transcripts, there’s first person eyewitness testimony everywhere. In addition, it’s a Congressional hearing, not a trial. In a trial, those named as witnesses by 3rd party witnesses saying they were told such and such can be deposed, or subpoenaed. And all in either hearing or trial are under oath. And perjury is a crime in either case. So while this may not be enough to damn him (and some of his most stalwart defenders like major newspapers are beginning to retreat, like the Washington Examiner), there’s been an undeniable impact.

You may be right about the ultimate outcome of this, but let’s make sure to get the facts right first.

I was referring to the testimony given by Cassidy Hutchinson with regard to Trump's behavior where she was not present but instead was relating what others said - I should have made that clear.

>> (and some of his most stalwart defenders like major newspapers are beginning to retreat, like the Washington Examiner)
From time to time, when I can stomach it, I browse FoxNews.com to see what the Right is reading and believes. I'd have expected numerous stories backing Trump and discrediting the 1/6 committee. Instead, I find almost no mention of the committee at all; so perhaps even Fox is taking a bit of a wait and see attitude at present.

Edit - turns out that my lay-person's understanding of what constitutes "hearsay" and where it applies was wrong.

Why Cassidy Hutchinson's January 6 testimony can't be dismissed as 'hearsay'

The not-so-subtle insinuation is that Hutchinson’s testimony isn’t credible. The legal reality is a lot more complicated.

www.msnbc.com

 

[SWP's back]

 

[SebastianBlue]

A must read 51 tweet thread summarising the importance of the Independent State Legislature Theory case that the Supreme Court has chosen to hear in October and the grave consequences of the extremist far-right super majority likely deciding in favour of it.

Reminder: Clarence Thomas has already supported the theory in principle in the court’s previous watershed election decision… Bush v Gore.

Many of their recent opinions have being setting up for this seismic decision, both by incrementally undermining precedent and “softening” the public with increasingly controversial, “because we said so” verdicts.

 

[Vic]

Texas Education Authority have recommended to the State Board of Education that 'slavery' is changed in to 'involuntary relocation'.

Nothing new here. They wanted references to the slave trade changed to the "Atlantic triangular trade"

 

[SWP's back]

A must read 51 tweet thread summarising the importance of the Independent State Legislature Theory case that the Supreme Court has chosen to hear in October and the grave consequences of the extremist far-right super majority likely deciding in favour of it.

Reminder: Clarence Thomas has already supported the theory in principle in the court’s previous watershed election decision… Bush v Gore.

Many of their recent opinions have being setting up for this seismic decision, both by incrementally undermining precedent and “softening” the public with increasingly controversial, “because we said so” verdicts.

Fucking idiotic system over there that these 9 unelected cunts have this power.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

So apparently a 10-year-old rape victim has been refused an abortion in Ohio because she was 3 days over the 6-week limit they introduced the other day. Well done anti-abortionists. You're really the moral ones in all of this.

 

[bluethrunthru]

at last - someone with a sensible rational approach to the subject

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Nothing new here. They wanted references to the slave trade changed to the "Atlantic triangular trade"

Must have heard a percussive argument as that is nothing if not pure cymbolism.

 

[roman totale]

Saw my first-ever Proud Boy in the flesh this afternoon in Little Italy district in Cleveland. He had all the cosplay gear on; black and yellow, Under Armor, Don’t Tread on Me, 3%ers, Oakleys etc. Bless.

What was more disturbing is that his two, I assume, sons aged probably 12-14 were kitted out pretty much the same, like little POS mini-me’s.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Truly fucked.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

Frequently so much misunderstanding about what constitutes hearsay. tbf it can be hugely complicated.

I have an argument a week about it and what ends up used as evidence changes almost that often

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I have an argument a week about it and what ends up used as evidence changes almost that often

i was once told a simple gateway to understand hearsay is that “they’re not here to say it” which grossly simplifies it but explains the underpinning principle. It‘s actually one of the most misused words in the English language, especially on here!

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Fucking idiotic system over there that these 9 unelected cunts have this power.

It’s one if the many inherent problems about have a system that has remained unchanged for the best part of quarter of a millennium. Like nothing has really changed since then.

 

[SWP's back]

at last - someone with a sensible rational approach to the subject

Can he be our PM?

 

[idahoblues]

Saw my first-ever Proud Boy in the flesh this afternoon in Little Italy district in Cleveland. He had all the cosplay gear on; black and yellow, Under Armor, Don’t Tread on Me, 3%ers, Oakleys etc. Bless.

What was more disturbing is that his two, I assume, sons aged probably 12-14 were kitted out pretty much the same, like little POS mini-me’s.

You should have decked the ****

 

[SWP's back]

It’s one if the many inherent problems about have a system that has remained unchanged for the best part of quarter of a millennium. Like nothing has really changed since then.

Yep. Summarised well here

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Saw my first-ever Proud Boy in the flesh this afternoon in Little Italy district in Cleveland. He had all the cosplay gear on; black and yellow, Under Armor, Don’t Tread on Me, 3%ers, Oakleys etc. Bless.

What was more disturbing is that his two, I assume, sons aged probably 12-14 were kitted out pretty much the same, like little POS mini-me’s.

He probably uses them as shields in case someone gives him trouble.

 

[laserblue]

Must have heard a percussive argument as that is nothing if not pure cymbolism.

Must have had it drummed into them.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Can he be our PM?

I said at the time of the primaries he had the best answers to the talking points - but being openly gay in US politics puts a ceiling on how far you are going to get. There was one clip going around at the time from a primary where a women had voted for him when asked if it bothered her that he was gay she didnt know, she looked shocked and then mortified. And she would have been a registered democrat.

They have a long way to go.