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mexico1970 said:
The term subject is antiquated and was used to describe a subject before citizenship, citizen is the proper terminology now. The solutions we have for remedying the political problems we have can't be put forward when idealogues hide their objectives through semantics.

Republicans and Tories not good enough? Democrats and Labour not different enough to make a noticeable difference when in power?

It's time to just accept the will of your chosen masters and have done with it if you can't meet in the middle with your opponents to reach a common consensus to get off this merry go round.
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It's not semantics. I'd be obliged if you'd point me to that siesmic moment when our unwritten constitution absolved me from fealty to a firm of entitled cunts.

Given that the current administration is attempting to pass a law that that says "facts are what we say they are", can you show me your workings out that "they're both the same".

The Labour Party will be tested against these issues ( I have doubts they'll pass) , the Tories have already been categorically shown to be utterly opposed to the best interests of the majority of the UK population.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
That’s not an answer.
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It's all there is, if you want change it has to be real change. We either all have to come to the conclusion it's all fucked and meet in the middle in earnest or we swing viciously to the left and right to force a common purpose.

Or it's rinse and repeat ( BTW I am fine with that).
 
lloydie said:
It's not semantics. I'd be obliged if you'd point me to that siesmic moment when our unwritten constitution absolved me from fealty to a firm of entitled cunts.

Given that the current administration is attempting to pass a law that that says "facts are what we say they are", can you show me your workings out that "they're both the same".

The Labour Party will be tested against these issues ( I have doubts they'll pass) , the Tories have already been categorically shown to be utterly opposed to the best interests of the majority of the UK population.
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We are citizens, if you want to consider yourself a subject then that's on you. That being said you don't have a right to disobey laws as you wish without being brought to book for doing so and are subject to laws just like you would be in any other country.

The Tories are shit they are thieves and charlatans, let's just allow Labour their 11 years and be done with it. In 100 years time there will still be angst and some bugger in a funny t shirt shaking a fist at the establishment.
 
mexico1970 said:
It matters, because if your mind is not for changing then you're an idealogue and debate would be worthless.
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Mate, you seem to have rather an obsession with labels and sides. Appear to want to sit above the fray so you can critique whenever and whatever you like without making any real commitment to betterment, or change, just to rail against all you perceive that is wrong with all else with little or no evidence of any hard work to find solutions or compromise. When was the last solution to a problem you offered?

There’s no debate to be had, because you’re the opposite of an ideologue — you’re a misanthrope. And my guess is you once weren’t, but the idealism you once clung to has failed you and maybe even embarrassed you when the humans you trusted disappointed you. So now — all is rotten, and hopelessness is your creed.

To answer your question anyway — I’m a registered Democrat who’s voted for plenty of Republicans, but probably won’t ever again as I doubt the taint of cultism and cowardice will ever be removed from the party in my lifetime. But even that doesn’t really change how I’ve always been — I’ve always voted for people, not parties, and everyone I’ve ever voted for has been flawed and yet also offered what I thought were the best ideas and solutions — pragmatic ones that make as many people as possible better off — among the choices I had.

Not that this matters.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
Yeah! Trump will be much better for the world!

“They’re very much borrowing from the Trump playbook to dodge congressional oversight,” Tolany said. The state department office of the inspector general found that between 2017 and 2019, the Trump administration had made 4,221 below-threshold arms transfers to Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, worth an estimated total of $11.2bn.

Wake up and smell reality.
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As I've pointed out on another thread. 80 fuckin percent of Democrats are disagreeing with what Israel are doing militarily. An even bigger % in under 30's so why would you piss off pratically your whole base on such a major policy.

And yes I'm well aware Trump is a much bigger **** and threat to the world more than Biden is, But it still doesn't stop me wanting to call Biden an horrible bastard for what he's complicit in.
 
The blue phantom said:
As I've pointed out on another thread. 80 fuckin percent of Democrats are disagreeing with what Israel are doing militarily. An even bigger % in under 30's so why would you piss off pratically your whole base on such a major policy.

And yes I'm well aware Trump is a much bigger **** and threat to the world more than Biden is, But it still doesn't stop me wanting to call Biden an horrible bastard for what he's complicit in.
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What would you have him do?

He's pushed for a ceasefire, is dropping aid into Gaza and he abstained at the UN, causing Israel to cancel their high level diplomatic visit to the USA.

He can’t allow Israel to be bare-assed with weaponry, lest a bigger issue arise.

So, what does he do? And, will it appease the lefties and the Palestinians in the USA?
 
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ChicagoBlue said:
What would you have him do?

He's pushed for a ceasefire, is dropping aid into Gaza and he abstained at the UN, causing Israel to cancel their high level diplomatic visit to the USA.

He can’t allow Israel to be bare-asses with weaponry, lest a bigger issue arise.

So, what does he do? And, will it appease the lefties and the Palestinians in the USA?
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Shouldn't he kinda do what 80% of his party want instead of sneakily sending more weapons over for Israel to carry on their Genocide.

To meet that sounds a better option than another 16,000 children being blown to bits.
 
Vic said:
Apart from all the legislation that explains who is and who isn't a British subject...
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Nope, a subject is a foreign subject who can also be a citizen of another country. I know it's difficult for anti-monarchists to get their heads around but those are the facts.

Is a Canadian citizen a British subject?


After Confederation into a Dominion within the British Empire in 1867, Canada was granted more autonomy over time and gradually became independent from the United Kingdom. Although Canadian citizens have no longer been British subjects since 1977, they continue to hold favoured status when residing in the UK.
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What is the difference between a UK citizen and a British subject?


Citizen of the UK and colonies (CUKC) A citizen of the UK and colonies was the old colonial status given to British citizens during the period 1 January 1949 to 31 December 1982. Before 1949, British citizens were called British subjects and in the modern day are referred to as British citizens.
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The blue phantom said:
As I've pointed out on another thread. 80 fuckin percent of Democrats are disagreeing with what Israel are doing militarily. An even bigger % in under 30's so why would you piss off pratically your whole base on such a major policy.

And yes I'm well aware Trump is a much bigger **** and threat to the world more than Biden is, But it still doesn't stop me wanting to call Biden an horrible bastard for what he's complicit in.
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The US has supported Israel since c1930 (fundraising initially), you arent going to see them overturn that in a hurry.
 
The blue phantom said:
Shouldn't he kinda do what 80% of his party want instead of sneakily sending more weapons over for Israel to carry on their Genocide.
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As president he will never do his party’s bidding, but will do what he calculates will ultimately produce the best outcome for the world. You may think he is wrong but he has wider responsibility than US domestic politics. The US role in world politics is at the top of his M.E. agenda.
 
KS55 said:
As president he will never do his party’s bidding, but will do what he calculates will ultimately produce the best outcome for the world. You may think he is wrong but he has wider responsibility than US domestic politics. The US role in world politics is at the top of his M.E. agenda.
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I may think it's wrong? The whole fuckin world thinks he's wrong as is pointed out when the Yanks Veto anything negative about Israel.

Anyone who thinks he's doing the right thing in continuing to send missiles over to massacre Children is an absolute ****.
 
The blue phantom said:
I may think it's wrong? The whole fuckin world thinks he's wrong as is pointed out when the Yanks Veto anything negative about Israel.

Anyone who thinks he's doing the right thing in continuing to send missiles over to massacre Children is an absolute ****.
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Are you a diplomat by profession?
 
mexico1970 said:
I can see why the confusion, Americans seem to think everything is about them :)
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I'm truly shocked at that allegation. As I was under the impression they were an outward looking nation who start wars just far enough away not to be concerned about reprisals.

:)
 
mexico1970 said:
Nope, a subject is a foreign subject who can also be a citizen of another country. I know it's difficult for anti-monarchists to get their heads around but those are the facts.
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You can be a British subject without being a citizen.

Did the 1948 Act (making us citizens) actually say we cease to be subjects?

"Every person who under this Act is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies ...
shall by virtue of that citizenship have the status of a British subject."
 
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