US Politics Thread

[Blue Maverick]

So who’s leading at the moment? Is the orange gibbon really going to get in again?

 

[threespires]

There is no harm in exposing people to all sorts of views as long as you equip them to think for themselves through education. Once you find yourself wanting to filter or police views it suggests either a weakness in the opposing arguments or in that education. Probably a bit of both.

You always tend to find it is folk whose own viewpoint looks unlikely to prevail that cry about it. If Kamala was racing ahead in the polls I don't think anyone would care (in regard to US politics).

But it's not that simple, nueroscience shows us that bad actors can manipulate even educated people by lying consistently and persistently. A truth or a possibility/hypothesis are not the same as a lie, it's the insistence on passing off lies as a valid 'viewpoint' that is fucking up public discourse. At the point we accept that 'alternative facts' can be used to substantiate fallacious arguments we are fucked because it's no longer a debate, it's technology, money, neuroscience and communications psychology allowing the best liars to win.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

But it's not that simple, nueroscience shows us that bad actors can manipulate even educated people by lying consistently and persistently. A truth or a possibility/hypothesis are not the same as a lie, it's the insistence on passing off lies as a valid 'viewpoint' that is fucking up public discourse. At the point we accept that 'alternative facts' can be used to substantiate fallacious arguments we are fucked because it's no longer a debate, it's technology, money, neuroscience and communications psychology allowing the best liars to win.

I'm sure you make a good point, but with specific regard to US politics I think the corporate ownership of all in Washington does a lot more to destabilise, distort and vanquish democracy than the media bias.
If the American people really want to see either party acting in the interest of the people rather than corporate donors then something needs to be done in terms of limiting amounts or sources of campaign funding to free politicians from the grasp of lobbyists.

I'm not saying it is necessarily the case, but if you do start to see significant amounts of 'educated people' on what you perceive as the wrong side of the debate then maybe they are correct, or at least have a valid point? Ultimately, if trump gets in then it will be because it is more than just the maga crazies that have voted for him.

 

[KS55]

. I suppose editorial decisions have to be made and will always risk accusations of bias.

That’s the point. Accusations of bias are usually nonsense.

 

[threespires]

I'm sure you make a good point, but with specific regard to US politics I think the corporate ownership of all in Washington does a lot more to destabilise, distort and vanquish democracy than the media bias.
If the American people really want to see either party acting in the interest of the people rather than corporate donors then something needs to be done in terms of limiting amounts or sources of campaign funding to free politicians from the grasp of lobbyists.

I'm not saying it is necessarily the case, but if you do start to see significant amounts of 'educated people' on what you perceive as the wrong side of the debate then maybe they are correct, or at least have a valid point? Ultimately, if trump gets in then it will be because it is more than just the maga crazies that have voted for him.

I'm not saying there aren't other issues in play I was merely saying the remedy Isn't simply better education. You have to do something to address the systematic flow of misinformation, in fact I suspect our points are intersecting as the funding to deliver that constant flow has to come from somewhere and presumably that's the super PACs and lobbyimg groups you refer too.

 

[The blue phantom]

So who’s leading at the moment? Is the orange gibbon really going to get in again?

Trump is strong odds on Favourite now.

You can get a return of around 140% Profit for every pound you put on Harris currently.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

So who’s leading at the moment? Is the orange gibbon really going to get in again?

Probably yes

 

[KS55]

Probably yes

Surely not. The mind boggles. Betting not a good predictor.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

Surely not. The mind boggles. Betting not a good predictor.

I know, I dont base that view on betting. I vehemently hope he doesnt win, but I think he is going to and it is mental that he is even allowed to try, but they are mental over there and their systems obviously do not work

 

[KS55]

I know, I dont base that view on betting. I vehemently hope he doesnt win, but I think he is going to and it is mental that he is even allowed to try, but they are mental over there and their systems obviously do not work

I’m sticking nervously to my prediction of a Harris win.