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Dax777 said:
Yikes! of course they had probable cause for fuck sake. They arrested her on accusations that she intentionally obstructed ICE agents while they attempted to arrest an illegal immigrant. Their facts clearly demonstrates that she attempted to facilitate his escape from arrest. You could not find stronger probable cause. Its dictionary definition PC here

My goodness! Her release has no bearing on the probable cause of her arrest. Her release simply suggests the court doesn't consider her a flight risk. For fuck sake, who stole your handle?

Probable Cause is about what their facts claim she did. Whether she is released or not has more to do with the severity ot her crime weighed against the potential of her as a flight risk.

The court simply concluded she wasn't a flight risk. Hence her release.

Again, mostly false and irrelevant. Even if she told them they couldn't arrest him in her court room which she did ( on the argument they didn't have a judicial warrant to which the ICE officer correctly explained to her that they had an administrative warrant.) She bristled, and instructed them to go see the Chief Judge before they arrest anyone.

By the way, they had already agreed they'd wait till his hearing was over to arrest him. But she wanted them to get an ok from the CJ that their warrants were acceptable. .

Anyway, she got back to her courtroom,(1) immediately adjourned the guy's case (2)without telling the prosecutor or the witnesses who were present to testify against him in his case assault case. Then as the defendant and lawyer wee about to leave, (3)she beckoned to them and ushered the defendant and his lawyer through a back door.(4) A door only used by judges, wardens and defendants under arrest in the custody of wardens... This defendants wasn't in the custody of wardens.

In plain English, she was actively aiding in his escape. I numbered the facts that show clear probable cause and actions inconsistent with a judge acting within the normal function of her authority.

You can even add (6) her walking out to the hallway to berate the agents as part of the evidence. None of this is consistent with her normal conduct of judicial business


To put it simply, the percentage chance that she wins this case is closer to zero.

Again, another irrelevant point. And a silly one at that. Whether or not ICE or any other agency may or may not afford due process has no bearing on whether a judge can actively participate in an attempt to evade a lawful arrest..And unlucky for her, by leaving her bendh and walking out to challenge the agents, she confirmed they had an administrative warrant.

Which further limit any excuses she might have had to justify her actions.

And just as a general note, when a illegal alien has a deportation order against them... There are no other "due process" requirements needed outside of identification and arrest for deportation.

Its like saying, a criminal who has been sentenced to jail but escaped after sentencing needs 'due process' before he can be sent to jail when caught.

But hey.....carry on :)
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You have fallen hook line and sinker for lies and obfuscations. They didn’t even have a full arrest warrant, just a self issued one. This will turn out badly for ICE and the FBI. You should note that federal courts are now taking verbatim notes on DoJ court statements as they don’t believe a word they are saying. Who do you think a grand jury would believe, the judge or the DoJ witnesses? It won’t even go that far.
There are now over 200 cases against the regime pending and they are losing almost all of them. Trump appointed judges are throwing his defences out with prejudice or strong obiter dicta.
Wake up.
Attacks and threats against the judges and their families which you said didn’t happen, well see the link.
www.reuters.com

These judges ruled against Trump. Then their families came under attack.

As federal judges rule against the Trump administration in dozens of politically charged cases, the families of at least 11 of the jurists have been targeted with threats and harassment.
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com
 
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KS55 said:
You have fallen hook line and sinker for lies and obfuscations. They didn’t even have a full arrest warrant,
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Its hard to assume that you are ignorant of the facts here. They had an administrative warrant. I.e a warrant issued by ICE for the purpose of apprehending someone for immigration violation such as failing to abide by a deportation order.

Trying to muddle up with terms like "full arrest warrant" just doesn't pass muster.


KS55 said:
just a self issued one.
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Yes, that's what they are for.

KS55 said:
This will turn out badly for ICE and the FBI. You should note that federal courts are now taking verbatim notes on DoJ court statements as they don’t believe a word they are saying.
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Its not the job of the courts to believe what the DOJ or ICE agents say. Its their job to examine the evidence presented and deliberate on those facts.

I noticed you didn't deny any specific facts. Just a generalized claim about what federal courts are not doing as if that's relevant. Its not.
KS55 said:
Who do you think a grand jury would believe, the judge or the DoJ witnesses? It won’t even go that far.
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The DOJ witnesses include, the judge's own warden, the District Attorney in charge of the case she dismissed abruptly without giving reason, the court room witnesses ( including other defendants and their lawyers who witnessed her calling to the defendant and his lawyer, the ICE agents she sent to the office... Even the fact that the defendant exited the court through the back door that was for court personnel only is telling...

The evidence here seems insurmountable. But hey, lets wait and see. :)

KS55 said:
There are now over 200 cases against the regime pending and they are losing almost all of them. Trump appointed judges are throwing his defences out with prejudice or strong obiter dicta.
Wake up.
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Irrelevant. This has no relationship to the fact pattern of this case

KS55 said:
Attacks and threats against the judges and their families which you said didn’t happen, well see the link.
www.reuters.com

These judges ruled against Trump. Then their families came under attack.

As federal judges rule against the Trump administration in dozens of politically charged cases, the families of at least 11 of the jurists have been targeted with threats and harassment.
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com
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Again, you are obfuscating here... The issue is the judge and whether she obstructed in a legal arrest.

That she obstructed seems almost a forgone conclusion. The evidence is overwhelming according to the claims. Lets hope she has some defense up her sleeve.

But you can be resy assured it wont be "the courts don't believe what the DOJ says"
 
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Dax777 said:
Its hard to assume that you are ignorant of the facts here. They had an administrative warrant. I.e a warrant issued by ICE for the purpose of apprehending someone for immigration violation such as failing to abide by a deportation order.

Trying to muddle up with terms like "full arrest warrant" just doesn't pass muster.



Yes, that's what they are for.


Its not the job of the courts to believe what the DOJ or ICE agents say. Its their job to examine the evidence presented and deliberate on those facts.

I noticed you didn't deny any specific facts. Just a generalized claim about what federal courts are not doing as if that's relevant. Its not.

The DOJ witnesses include, the judge's own warden, the District Attorney in charge of the case she dismissed abruptly without giving reason, the court room witnesses ( including other defendants and their lawyers who witnessed her calling to the defendant and his lawyer, the ICE agents she sent to the office... Even the fact that the defendant exited the court through the back door that was for court personnel only is telling...

The evidence here seems insurmountable. But hey, lets wait and see. :)


Irrelevant. This has no relationship to the fact pattern of this case


Again, you are obfuscating here... The issue is the judge and whether she obstructed in a legal arrest.

That she obstructed seems almost a forgone conclusion. The evidence is overwhelming according to the claims. Lets hope she has some defense up her sleeve.

But you can be resy assured it wont be "the courts don't believe what the DOJ says"
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You don’t know if any of this is true. Most of it is more likely to be lies. Have you researched this judges record?
 
Descent into Madness
A group of Trump advisors led by Stephen Miller is suing the Chief Justice and the Judicial Confrence claiming that they should be overseen by …..the President. The Judicial conference, whose head is the Chief Justice, is the body that administers the court system, setting budgets, salaries, pensions and so on. It operates independently.
So SCOTUS makes a decision that the White House does not like, no problem, cut the salaries of the ‘offending’ judges to nil.
The basis of the action, get this folks, saviour it, is that the Democrats in Congress are bullying the justices Alito, Cavanagh, and Gorsuch into making pro Democrat decisions.
This is delusion writ large and a disgraceful waste of the court’s time. It is likely to be dismissed with prejudice so lawyers appearing on behalf of Miller’s group risk huge fines and, ultimately, possible disbarment. Presumably DoJ lawyers will be ordered by Bondi to pursue the case.
Truly shocking madness and very bad tactics if you want SCOTUS to vote your way in the 250 cases in which the administration is currently mired.
 
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Flooding the Zone.
When it comes to flooding the zone, the Trumpian tactic of issuing hundreds of decrees and making it difficult for others to keep up a response, two can play at that game.
Norm Eisen, a doughty fighter on behalf of democracy, has just filed a mega suit that will keep the DoJ fully occupied for years.
Eisen has put together a nation wide coillition of institutions, labour unions, non profit organisations, state attorneys general and others to sue the administration claiming its whole basis is unconstitutional in that its purpose is to undermine the separation of powers by attacking agencies which are created and funded by congress. The list of parties alone, both the suing and the sued, runs to five pages. As Private Eye used to say, this one will run and run.
Good luck, Donald, you’re going to need it.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
I'm simply astounded by the amount of US citizens happily waving goodbye to their civil rights because the authorities are currently going after the people they don't like.

You're all fucking idiots!!!
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I am a US citizen.
I am not happily waving goodbye to my civil rights.
I don’t not like those whom this Administration is attacking extra-constitutionally.
I’m also not a fucking idiot, nor are most of the people I personally know.

However, I do know a few stupid cunts from all over the place.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
I am a US citizen.
I am not happily waving goodbye to my civil rights.
I don’t not like those whom this Administration is attacking extra-constitutionally.
I’m also not a fucking idiot, nor are most of the people I personally know.

However, I do know a few stupid cunts from all over the place.
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On reflection, it's more 'completely fucking oblivious' to the erosion of their civil rights because they're blinded by hate and prejudice.
 
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A very surprising fact... at least to me...

Even though Trump's policies are very unpopular, the fact is, that even knowing what voters in the 2024 Presidential election know now, magically transported back in time, and given the choice once more to vote for either Harris or Trump... Trump would still win this magical back-in-time election.

Why so?

Is it because Harris is black or is a woman, and if-only some other more appealing Democrat would have run in 2024, or indeed in the magical back-in-time election, results may have changed?

The answer is no. Harris was the most popular candidate of all Democratic nominees - in a hypothetical, what-if-some-other-candidate ran scenario. If it boiled down to Trump versus X - Trump would still have won.
 
Dax777 said:
www.pbs.org

Wisconsin high court suspends Milwaukee judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

The Wisconsin Supreme Court has suspended a judge accused of helping a man evade immigration authorities. The FBI took Milwaukee County Circuit Judge Hannah Dugan into custody on Friday morning at the county courthouse.
www.pbs.org www.pbs.org

@KS55

Like i said, let's wait and see. Sometimes, the obvious is just that.


Obvious!
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I don’t think you understand the suspension.
And when the case against her proves nonsense, will you apologise or change your stance on supporting fascists? Of course not.
 
KS55 said:
I don’t think you understand the suspension.
And when the case against her proves nonsense, will you apologise or change your stance on supporting fascists? Of course not.
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No, you claiming the judge being released by the court was some form of evidence of innocence is disproven by this decision.

I am happy you are now back to your senses and now can tell that neither her release nor her suspension is evidence of either guilt or innocence.
 
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