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Let's start by saying I am very pissed and can hardly type in a coherent manner. I was ina pub today when I met 2 Americans. My first question was who do you support, Trump or the Democrats. One made it very obvious he was a Trumper by refusing to engage in conversation. The other was open to conversation. The last American I met was at a match at the Etihad, who also refused to talk about.who they supported. I will admit it's an extremely small sample size. Why do MAGA supporters refuse to admit who their chosen candidate is??? Are they ashamed to put their head above the parapet??
 
55yr old teenager said:
Let's start by saying I am very pissed and can hardly type in a coherent manner. I was ina pub today when I met 2 Americans. My first question was who do you support, Trump or the Democrats. One made it very obvious he was a Trumper by refusing to engage in conversation. The other was open to conversation. The last American I met was at a match at the Etihad, who also refused to talk about.who they supported. I will admit it's an extremely small sample size. Why do MAGA supporters refuse to admit who their chosen candidate is??? Are they ashamed to put their head above the parapet??
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Yes.
 
On another note, I went to the grocery store here in Oregon to get some organic bone-in, skin-on chicken thighs at my wife’s request. There were none. I asked the butcher where they were; never had an issue getting them before. Here’s what he said: “We’ve been struggling to get stuff from the processing plant. They are short workers. It turns out a lot of their employees aren’t going to the plant. The distributor told us it’s not that they’re illegal. It’s that they are afraid of not coming home.” When I expressed my surprise, he said, “It’s a brand new world. We’re going to be short a lot of products across the store this winter.”

So there’s that.
 
55yr old teenager said:
Let's start by saying I am very pissed and can hardly type in a coherent manner. I was ina pub today when I met 2 Americans. My first question was who do you support, Trump or the Democrats. One made it very obvious he was a Trumper by refusing to engage in conversation. The other was open to conversation. The last American I met was at a match at the Etihad, who also refused to talk about.who they supported. I will admit it's an extremely small sample size. Why do MAGA supporters refuse to admit who their chosen candidate is??? Are they ashamed to put their head above the parapet??
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I'd say the answer is in your final question. Their party is an embarrassment, and they know it.

Contrast the reactions of the Magas to the the Kirk killing and the victims of the latest school shootings. Barely a fucking whisper when it's children being murdered, but some jumped up far right rage-baiter, a hate preacher who expounded gun deaths as a virtuous thing, gets murdered and the ardour and the soul searching breaks emotional Richter scales.

Most of them are lousy human beings, and their voters know it.
 
Blue and true said:
I'd say the answer is in your final question. Their party is an embarrassment, and they know it.

Contrast the reactions of the Magas to the the Kirk killing and the victims of the latest school shootings. Barely a fucking whisper when it's children being murdered, but some jumped up far right rage-baiter, a hate preacher who expounded gun deaths as a virtuous thing, gets murdered and the ardour and the soul searching breaks emotional Richter scales.

Most of them are lousy human beings, and their voters know it.
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I agree. If they are too embarrassed to admit they are Trumpers then deep down they must know who they voted for is a psychotic narcissistic piece of crap who only thinks of himself.
 
Can someone explain to me how the Dems would be just as bad in power. Excuse the TikTok but this is Tom Cotton himself talking.

Beyond evil.

 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
On another note, I went to the grocery store here in Oregon to get some organic bone-in, skin-on chicken thighs at my wife’s request. There were none. I asked the butcher where they were; never had an issue getting them before. Here’s what he said: “We’ve been struggling to get stuff from the processing plant. They are short workers. It turns out a lot of their employees aren’t going to the plant. The distributor told us it’s not that they’re illegal. It’s that they are afraid of not coming home.” When I expressed my surprise, he said, “It’s a brand new world. We’re going to be short a lot of products across the store this winter.”

So there’s that.
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I had chicken thighs (bone in, skin on) for my tea and very good they were. Call in any day you can’t get stuff; here in poor benighted Blighty, chicken is plentiful and cheap and not washed in chlorine. Would you like chips (proper fat uk type)?
PS MRS KS is away, so I didn’t need those green veggy things, just chips and beans like a proper northern bloke.
 
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Well, Trump didn’t win in a landslide and Biden wasn’t even running and Harris won the 18-29 year olds, so instead of considering you a one-note, perhaps he should just consider you either an idiot or a liar?

Your view is your view and I understand where you are coming from and have some sympathy and recogniz(s)e the moral complications — but just stick to the facts instead of making shit up and generaliz(s)ing.
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Harris did indeed win a majority of the youth vote, but with less than Biden. Kirk influence?
 
KS55 said:
I had chicken thighs (bone in, skin on) for my tea and very good they were. Call in any day you can’t get stuff; here in poor benighted Blighty, chicken is plentiful and cheap and not washed in chlorine. Would you like chips (proper fat uk type)?
PS MRS KS is away, so I didn’t need those green veggy things, just chips and beans like a proper northern bloke.
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With broccoli and (while I would like chips) roasted Yukon golds! Organic chicken by the way. I love beans the English way; my wife not so much sadly.
 
Great idea - when you deport all the people doing the actual real work and euthanise rather than help and cure the Americans that you would expect to do their jobs where the fuck do these people think their economy will go?

 
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Great idea - when you deport all the people doing the actual real work and euthanise rather than help and cure the Americans that you would expect to do their jobs where the fuck do these people think their economy will go?

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That must be AI!? Somebody with a small amount of grey cells can't possibly have said that on TV?
 
bluethrunthru said:
Great idea - when you deport all the people doing the actual real work and euthanise rather than help and cure the Americans that you would expect to do their jobs where the fuck do these people think their economy will go?

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Wow. With views like that openly stated to millions of viewers, you can understand why we are where we are.

Everything they do is to divide and conquer, all about ‘Them’ and ‘Us’, the ‘Radical Left’ (what does that even mean), or those ‘Immigrants’, all used to demean a certain group and embolden another.

And why do they do this?

Power and money.
 
BREAKING: Donald Trump's niece Mary Trump enrages MAGA world by sharing the cold hard truth that her uncle is responsible for the "political violence" that he is desperately trying to blame on Democrats.

We won't allow these fascists to gaslight us...

"Political violence and the rhetoric that drives it are almost entirely on the side of the Republican Party, and no person is more responsible for it than Donald Trump,” Mary wrote on her Substack.

"Facing that truth does not mean rejoicing in what happened to Charlie Kirk. Quite the opposite: It means coming to terms with what is driving the political violence in America today," she wrote.

President Trump exploited the assassination of right-wing demagogue Charlie Kirk earlier this week by calling him a "martyr" and blaming the "radical left" even though the identity of the shooter wasn't known at the time. Even now, it's the killer's motive and political beliefs are unknown. Trump doesn't care. He saw an opportunity to sow division and he seized it.

Mary pointed out that Democratic lawmakers rushed to condemn Kirk's shooting while Republicans have sought to turn it to their political advantage by blaming Democrats and journalists. Comparatively, when Paul Pelosi was attacked in his home, conservatives celebrated and mocked the horrifying incident, with Donald Trump himself even joining in. Republicans demand an endless supply of empathy from liberals but provide none themselves.

"Donald has almost single-handedly created the conditions in which his grievance, his vengeance, and his cruelty extend to anybody that supports him," Mary Trump continued. "Anybody who opposes him or stands up to him or simply doesn’t support him is his enemy and is therefore not worthy of protection. Worse, they are considered legitimate targets of abuse or revenge, cruelty or violence."

"He has incited violence against his perceived political enemies as well as against his own government and then pardoned those who committed it on his behalf," she went on. "This is not a 'both sides issue.' This is not a moment when we put aside our differences to come to some agreed upon notion about how to move beyond this. With Donald Trump and those who support, enable, and capitulate to him in power that would be impossible."

"We have arrived here in large part because this country has been purposefully and maliciously divided against itself because of the rhetoric coming from Donald Trump and the Republican Party," she added.

She went on to quote Kirk's own now-viral words. The MAGA demagogue said that the price of an "armed citizenry" is a certain number of guns deaths.

"But I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights," said Kirk. "That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe.”

Mary Trump empathetically but forcefully addressed his words—

"Well, unfortunately, the universe we live in is a universe created by people who actually think that guns in our society are more important than the lives of the people living in it," she wrote. "Unfortunately, we live in a universe in which violence, political or otherwise, has been normalized by one party and one party only. The Democrats should condemn what happened today. Any decent right-thinking person should condemn what happened today."

"But we are missing the point, we are, indeed, missing an opportunity if we do not take the tragedy that unfolded today as permission to start a broader conversation about how we got here, who's responsible, and quite frankly what the hell we are going to do about it," she concluded.
 
55yr old teenager said:
BREAKING: Donald Trump's niece Mary Trump enrages MAGA world by sharing the cold hard truth that her uncle is responsible for the "political violence" that he is desperately trying to blame on Democrats.

We won't allow these fascists to gaslight us...

"Political violence and the rhetoric that drives it are almost entirely on the side of the Republican Party, and no person is more responsible for it than Donald Trump,” Mary wrote on her Substack.

"Facing that truth does not mean rejoicing in what happened to Charlie Kirk. Quite the opposite: It means coming to terms with what is driving the political violence in America today," she wrote.

President Trump exploited the assassination of right-wing demagogue Charlie Kirk earlier this week by calling him a "martyr" and blaming the "radical left" even though the identity of the shooter wasn't known at the time. Even now, it's the killer's motive and political beliefs are unknown. Trump doesn't care. He saw an opportunity to sow division and he seized it.

Mary pointed out that Democratic lawmakers rushed to condemn Kirk's shooting while Republicans have sought to turn it to their political advantage by blaming Democrats and journalists. Comparatively, when Paul Pelosi was attacked in his home, conservatives celebrated and mocked the horrifying incident, with Donald Trump himself even joining in. Republicans demand an endless supply of empathy from liberals but provide none themselves.

"Donald has almost single-handedly created the conditions in which his grievance, his vengeance, and his cruelty extend to anybody that supports him," Mary Trump continued. "Anybody who opposes him or stands up to him or simply doesn’t support him is his enemy and is therefore not worthy of protection. Worse, they are considered legitimate targets of abuse or revenge, cruelty or violence."

"He has incited violence against his perceived political enemies as well as against his own government and then pardoned those who committed it on his behalf," she went on. "This is not a 'both sides issue.' This is not a moment when we put aside our differences to come to some agreed upon notion about how to move beyond this. With Donald Trump and those who support, enable, and capitulate to him in power that would be impossible."

"We have arrived here in large part because this country has been purposefully and maliciously divided against itself because of the rhetoric coming from Donald Trump and the Republican Party," she added.

She went on to quote Kirk's own now-viral words. The MAGA demagogue said that the price of an "armed citizenry" is a certain number of guns deaths.

"But I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights," said Kirk. "That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe.”

Mary Trump empathetically but forcefully addressed his words—

"Well, unfortunately, the universe we live in is a universe created by people who actually think that guns in our society are more important than the lives of the people living in it," she wrote. "Unfortunately, we live in a universe in which violence, political or otherwise, has been normalized by one party and one party only. The Democrats should condemn what happened today. Any decent right-thinking person should condemn what happened today."

"But we are missing the point, we are, indeed, missing an opportunity if we do not take the tragedy that unfolded today as permission to start a broader conversation about how we got here, who's responsible, and quite frankly what the hell we are going to do about it," she concluded.
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Well said. She is good.
 
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