US Presidential Election, Nov 5th 2024

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There's full video of it if you interested to watch. Like you never think that Democrat leaning video will not doing something like that and you assuming only Republican leaning video doing highly edited video like this?
Yeah, and when I post a ridiculously biased video on the thread, feel free to criticise it.

No wonder you guys lost and America is now being lead by horrible person.
Who's "you guys?" I'm British and I live in Asia. I've got as much at stake here as, I don't know, and Indonesian person posting on a fansite of a British football club.
 
Why did the Democrats lose? I think the West is in decline and this makes it extremely difficult for the incumbent leader to get re-elected.
It's worth mentioning that covid caused a huge increase in inequality and a huge transfer of wealth to the rich in every country, meaning that every country has seen a massive inflation, and a huge increase in public debt, which results in lots of tax money having to go for paying that off rather than providing services.
 
My working hypothesis is that income distribution has a lot to do with it.

From the quoted article:
"The 60% of income earners between the top and bottom quintiles — commonly referred to as America’s middle class — have seen their share of wealth diminish since 1990. Over the past three decades, this group’s share of total wealth fell to 26% from 37%."

Without having studied this issue in any detail whatsoever, my perception is that populism is on the rise globally because the distribution of wealth has become so imbalanced that the majority of voters are rightly upset and demand change. Populist governments won't address the imbalance - but their leaders promise to do so and feed on the unrest that income inequality generates.

I'm a big believer in free-market capitalism and that government should avoid mucking with companies insofar as possible. Income inequality, IMO, should be addressed through a system of taxation, raising the minimum wage, etc.

Should my hypothesis prove correct, then we're in a quandary here in the States. Dems that want to increase taxes and redistribute wealth that way, or even to increase the minimum wage... whatever - are demonized by Republicans and so even if such policy changes might work, the populists won't put them into place.

Though you and I might disagree to some degree about the prescription I think the diagnosis is right. The FT over here has had some really interesting articles on this in the last 12 months that would substantiate your hypothesis, unfortunately all behind a paywall.
 
Though you and I might disagree to some degree about the prescription I think the diagnosis is right. The FT over here has had some really interesting articles on this in the last 12 months that would substantiate your hypothesis, unfortunately all behind a paywall.
This book was warning about this 15 years ago.

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Not just better on average, but better for the rich too.
 
saw one yesterday where a 20 year old college student said she voted Trump because "he didn't ban abortion and instead he handed that choice back to state level "
Ah yes, because when I'm getting my freedoms taken away by the government, it's really important to know that it's a slightly more local government.
 
saw one yesterday where a 20 year old college student said she voted Trump because "he didn't ban abortion and instead he handed that choice back to state level "
That's a true statement.... Also, granting that I didn't see the video you watch, I have strong sense that you've misunderstood her point.

She didn't vote for Trump because of what he did on abortion. She is almost certainly saying

1) I voted for Trump...
2.) in response to the probably unstated question of how could you vote for someone who banned abortion?

She adds the claim. He didn't. He appointed the Justices who rightly decided Roe was bad law and returned the decision of abortion back to the States.
 
This book was warning about this 15 years ago.

The-spirit-level-bookcover.jpg


Not just better on average, but better for the rich too.

Yep, until we have proper discourse about this we are going nowhere good. There's a book called Disorder: Hard Times in the 21st Century by Helen Thompson which does a good job of going back to the 70s and the choices western leaders made in response to the shifting geopolitics, which set on us on the path we're well down now.

It's interesting that people take a significant degree of inequality as some sort of Darwinian natural order thing when for most of our history as homo sapiens we have prospered by avoiding that.
 
“Democrats lost because they relied on facts. Trump won because he lied about them, and people believed him. IMO.”
Thanks for your faith in democracy,@FogBlueInSanFran. I fear you tell the truth.
What facts did Democrats rely on? I mean over the election period there was more than enough documenting of lies from both sides of the debate.

The only problem here is that only one side can be thrown out of office...
 
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