US Presidential Election, Nov 5th 2024

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Tb1981 said:
Do you see any way of Ukraine winning?
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The idea of kicking Russia out of their borders including Crimea is for the birds - everyone know this will end around a negotiated settlement - but it’s important Ukraine enters that room in a position of strength with all the western powers firmly behind them, not chasing their tail with weak backing.
 
Johnny Mars Bar said:
The idea of kicking Russia out of their borders including Crimea is for the birds - everyone know this will end around a negotiated settlement - but it’s important Ukraine enters that room in a position of strength with all the western powers firmly behind them, not chasing their tail with weak backing.
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Agree with you
 
kaz7 said:
I am very worried about ukraine , zelensky refused to investigate hunter biden and he wont have forgotten that . He will force him to give up huge swaths of his land to putin
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Too much scaremongering about what happens in Europe if trump wins.

Firstly, Zelensky will simply tell him to fuck off, trump can't force him to give up any land, he can withdraw support obviously, but I feel Europe would step in.

Secondly, he could also withdraw support/finance for NATO, but trump likes power, and depending on what he tells NATO, Europe (incl UK) can just tell him to take his troops out of their bases in Europe, he won't like that, and he will back down imho. The US has bases all over Europe, and it does so for influence in Europe, there's no way he'll want to lose that. So there's not much logic in that argument either.

Also before anyone says putin will over run Europe, think on, because putin has been completely unable to over run Ukraine, so he won't be thinking of taking the rest of Europe on (with or without the US).
 
When do you think Trump will claim victory? He made the call at 02:30 on the Wednesday morning the last time, which drew huge bipartisan criticism, so I wouldn't be at all surprised if he goes even earlier this time.
 
Tb1981 said:
Trump wanted countries to pay their fair share into Nato. Seems a valid point with what's has gone on in Ukraine since.
For any country to not be paying what they have agreed to is plain wrong
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Agreed, why should the US fund it
 
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