US Senator John McCain - RIP

You'd think a former POW would be against torture and his branding would lead you to believe that, even condemning it during the Bush administration - only to reverse course, as he always did, and sign a bill that not only protected torture but absolved not only the CIA for continuing it but afforded Americans protection from it. Helluva maverick.

Like Bush, born into privilege yet bottom of his class (894/899) at Annapolis yet somehow managed to become a pilot despite crashing multiple times before going to Vietnam. One of the original S&L crooks as part of the Keating Five that cost taxpayers billions to bail out. Helluva maverick.

Apart from being the only state to routinely vote against MLK day, he was invited each & every year to the NAACP conference and always turned it down on top of the well documented racist language he has used towards Asians, Middle Eastern people and being anti-gay. Helluva maverick.

Even President Carter referred to him as a warmonger - The bomb Iran singer who never voted against military intervention but rather was not only a proponent of endless warring but eulogized by Nethanyahu and the Saudi govt AND military contractor & bombmaker Lockheed Martin. Helluva maverick.

Ushered into the world trolls pre-Trump with Sarah Palin. Helluva maverick.

Cares about honor in the Senate as well as tax reform but then joined his fellow Republicans to vote on bills slashing taxes on corporations and billionaires. Helluva maverick.

The same bully nicknamed McNasty who publicly referred to his wife not only as a whore but a c*nt. Helluva maverick.

The same hypocritical politician who claimed to be anti-Trump but voted in line with him 90.7% of the time which is in line with how often he voted with other Republicans throughout his political career. Helluva maverick.

The most accurate depiction rather than the childlike narrative of the man: "Predictable champion of war and empire who occasionally makes toothless references to human rights for the purposes of image curation"
Fucking ok, you made your point.
 
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At least McCain stood up to Trump - who, is a bazillion times worse than so-called "McNasty."

Some of your points are well-taken - others are mysteriously bizarre - McCain is a Republican.

>> The same hypocritical politician who claimed to be anti-Trump but voted in line with him 90.7%
Uh... the guy is a Republican from a very Republican State. What do you expect - that he'll vote against his conscious just to spite Trump?

You've made some valid points - but you're way off base branding McCain as some sort of Devil incarnate, with no morals, totally for war, etc...
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The truth is - McCain respected dignity. Wasn't adverse to war. Believed that torture may have elicited truthful responses - and if US citizen lives were in the balance - condoned torture. Had a temper. Said things in public that were unbecoming. Failed to adequately vet Sarah Palin.

But courageous enough to stand up to Trump on issues he felt important even though such a stance is either very risky or outright political suicide.
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McCain is neither Angel or Devil - but is human. And is a Republican first. But at least there were lines of conduct, moral behavior and principal that McCain would not back down from - which distinguishes him from nearly every other elected Republican. And to the extent that those principals he would not sway from - mesh with your or my own - for that, at least he deserves credit.
 
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No one who is voting to agree with someone 90% of the time is standing up to them. That'd be a first, if you think otherwise then that's certainly on the long list of problems the US currently are experiencing

And I think the planet would be far better off with less 'humans' who have directly led to warring & millions of displaced and killed

You're too obsessed with labels which again is a product of being an obedient consumer, Republicans are a party and nowhere is it written you are supposed to vote with the party everytime else the notion of a democracy or representing your constituents would be rendered obsolete - of course, that is exactly what is going on atm
 
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No one who is voting to agree with someone 90% of the time is standing up to them. That'd be a first

And I think the planet would be far better off with less 'humans' who have directly led to warring & millions of displaced and killed

You're too obsessed with labels which again is a product of being an obedient consumer, Republicans are a party and nowhere is it written you are supposed to vote with the party everytime else the notion of a democracy or representing your constituents would be rendered obsolete - of course, that is exactly what is going on atm
>> No one who is voting to agree with someone 90% of the time is standing up to them.
That's obviously wrong. If I agree with you 90% of the time, why wouldn't I vote in favor your measures 90% of the time.

McCain never claimed to be a Democrat - why on earth would you expect him to vote against party line more than 10% of the time?
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>> And I think the planet would be far better off with less 'humans' who have directly led to warring & millions of displaced and killed
Mostly agree. But you seem to have branded McCain as a Devil because of this and then let irrationally run free.

>> Republicans are a party and nowhere is it written you are supposed to vote with the party everytime
You're way out-of-tune with the radically polarized politics in the States. Any vote against Trump by any Republican in a very Red State is tantamount to political suicide - Fox will crucify you - Trump will crucify you - and the rank-and-file Republicans who voted for you will turn against you.

In spite of this, McCain stood up to Trump very publicly, putting his political career at risk. This is virtually unique among Republicans in the US Senate/Congress.
 
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Again, this is merely political posturing that you've seemingly bought into. Elected officials are there to represent their constituency and the constitution - not beholden to a party 'leader' and how they vote. If party members always voted along party lines, nothing would ever get down in a democracy and this is a big reason why the US political system remains a farce

So 90% of the time in agreement with someone equates to standing up to them. Got it
 
So 90% of the time in agreement with someone equates to standing up to them. Got it
You're in outer space dude - fantasy land - lala - Toys in the Attic.

Back to reality - McCain publicly stood up to Trump - you seem to disagree with this for whatever bizarre reason. Get over it.

You don't like McCain for several reasons - I get it. But it's a fact that McCain stood up to Trump. If you deny it, then you're into the "fake news" territory of Trump and are no better than he is for it.
 
There's no reality where agreeing with someone 90% of the time equates to standing up to them but I'm the one in fantasty land

I don't like warmongers or racists, McCain is merely one of the more well known ones that apparently you do like so there's that
 
>> There's no reality where agreeing with someone 90% of the time equates to standing up to them but I'm the one in fantasty land
Yes, there is, and yes you are.

>> I don't like warmongers or racists, McCain is merely one of the more well known ones that apparently you do like so there's that
Conflation of issues - facts assumed without evidence.

Again - you hate McCain. I get it.

You've made several excellent points.

But you've ignored reality just as Trump has - and you're just as dangerous as he because of it.

In short, you've no ability to reason - you let emotion overcome you - and for that reason - you're exactly the same as Trump but with polar opposite but equally radical viewpoints.
 
>> There's no reality where agreeing with someone 90% of the time equates to standing up to them but I'm the one in fantasty land
Yes, there is, and yes you are.

>> I don't like warmongers or racists, McCain is merely one of the more well known ones that apparently you do like so there's that
Conflation of issues - facts assumed without evidence.

Again - you hate McCain. I get it.

You've made several excellent points.

But you've ignored reality just as Trump has - and you're just as dangerous as he because of it.

In short, you've no ability to reason - you let emotion overcome you - and for that reason - you're exactly the same as Trump but with polar opposite but equally radical viewpoints.
Western democracies are littered with Politicians who have voted for military action that has resulted in mass death and destruction.
I think we can say he's not as bad as Kissinger.
 
Western democracies are littered with Politicians who have voted for military action that has resulted in mass death and destruction.
I think we can say he's not as bad as Kissinger.
Just so - but a "never-ever-ever-war" policy leads inevitably to bad outcomes as well - if bad actors realize that you will never declare war on them - then they'll purse means without restraint - in the knowledge that no military action is forthcoming.

War is a last resort - but if it's not a resort at all - then very bad outcomes are, I think, inevitable.
 

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