US/UK launch strikes against Houthi rebels in Yemen

[grunge]

US (and UK) attacks Yemen, to dissuade them from attacking shipping.
US shocked that Yemen fights back!
Groups (supported by Iran) fight back in support.
US increases attacks "in retaliation" to 3 GIs being killed a base that most people didn''t even know was there.

I can't think of any situation where an attack like the first one on Yemen ever worked, at least not since the British Empire gunboat diplomcy days.

No coincidence that this is US election year, plenty of Jewish voters and financial backers in the US.

A few points.

1. The Houthis are not Yemen. They are a group trying to take over Yemen.

2. They attacked us ( the US and UK navy ships ) 1st. For The 1st few attempts they were warned to stop. They continued so got hit back.

3. The Iran back groups were attacking the US bases before the US hit the Houthis. They were hitting US bases as of Oct 7th due to the US supporting Israel.

I’m not suggesting that bombing runs are a good move. Not an all. But there a chain of events here.

Additionally. I wouldn’t be surprised if Iran hit the Houthis soon. By hitting shipping they are indirectly hitting China and India who are 2 of Iran’s main Allies.

 

[Bigga]

It's far from simple is it

Perhaps a good start would for the arab world to recognise the state of Israel, then perhaps the recognition of Palestine would follow, then maybe there could be, you know, an agreement from Iraq, Egypt, Jordan etc not to invade or threaten Israel as they did on the day the state was created, and again in the 60's. Maybe that agreement could include some agreement from Israel to refrain from any further land take of Palestinian territory, and a reciprocal agreement to not invade or threaten.

Once that peace has settled in, and some confidence in its solidity has been established, maybe the next move would be to open up borders, establish relationships based on trade/commerce.

Now the main thing standing in the way of this is of course the fact that both sides are entrenched in fanatical religion based beliefs which preclude any such agreements from ever happening, and should enlightened politicians emerge simultaneously on both sides, it's highly likely they would simultaneously disappear again in unpleasant circumstances.

This is the middle easts dark ages, maybe they have to go through it as we did in europe a thousand years ago when the crusades tried to establish religious dominion over other faiths. Difference is, we did it with swords and pointy sticks, the buggers these days have missiles and drones

Interesting post, which entirely different to the summary I posted about what Ansar Allah wanted at this point in time.

But, let's sidestep that as you have. I don't think the majority of the ME will recognise Israel before Palestine is. All you say maybe true, but instead of the US doing fair trade for good and minerals it decides it's going to take what it needs by force of occupation or regime change.

This is cause of much of the troubles around world with the US having and estimated 800 bases around the world, much of it, for such reasons as above.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Iran have had three americans soldiers killed , the yanks had no choice but to hit back now

Well yeah, but one could equally ask why are there always US troops around to be targeted? The US have chosen over decades to involve themselves in conflicts in the Middle East, starting many of them themselves.

 

[flook]

Interesting post, which entirely different to the summary I posted about what Ansar Allah wanted at this point in time.

But, let's sidestep that as you have. I don't think the majority of the ME will recognise Israel before Palestine is. All you say maybe true, but instead of the US doing fair trade for good and minerals it decides it's going to take what it needs by force of occupation or regime change.

This is cause of much of the troubles around world with the US having and estimated 800 bases around the world, much of it, for such reasons as above.

Israel will not recognise Palestine until Israel itself is recognised, and if it were to do so, it would be meaningless to the majority of the Middle East as in their eyes, Israel does not exist and so cannot recognise Palestine.

There is a sort of logic to the sequence I posted, not that I expect it to happen in my lifetime.

I strayed from your summary because what you suggested isn't going to happen in isolation and I'm sure you know that. An obvious omission being the return of the remaining Israeli hostages.

America, where do you start, there is truth in what you say, but its once again not as cut and dried. Were the American led coalition correct to intervene when Saddam invaded Kuwait? My view is there should have been an international response led by the UN rather than the yanks, but that was never going to happen. America are the self-appointed world police and they're also an independent nation who are going to look after themselves.

 

[kaz7]

Well yeah, but one could equally ask why are there always US troops around to be targeted? The US have chosen over decades to involve themselves in conflicts in the Middle East, starting many of them themselves.

Our troops are all over the world as well , if they got killed we would not be blaming them for being there . It is the way global peacekeeping works although you can question if it is working

 

[Bigga]

Israel will not recognise Palestine until Israel itself is recognised, and if it were to do so, it would be meaningless to the majority of the Middle East as in their eyes, Israel does not exist and so cannot recognise Palestine.

There is a sort of logic to the sequence I posted, not that I expect it to happen in my lifetime.

I strayed from your summary because what you suggested isn't going to happen in isolation and I'm sure you know that. An obvious omission being the return of the remaining Israeli hostages.

America, where do you start, there is truth in what you say, but its once again not as cut and dried. Were the American led coalition correct to intervene when Saddam invaded Kuwait? My view is there should have been an international response led by the UN rather than the yanks, but that was never going to happen. America are the self-appointed world police and they're also an independent nation who are going to look after themselves.

Well, let's have it clear; until the Butcher Netanyahu has been removed (holding on to a position as Prime Minister to stop himself being prosecuted for corruption) as well as his fascist RW government, there's no chance Palestine will ever be recognised.

I hope his people oust him emphatically, but he'll keep the position as there is 'war time' according to him.

The rest of your post has much of my agreement about the US position.

 

[Bigga]

Well yeah, but one could equally ask why are there always US troops around to be targeted? The US have chosen over decades to involve themselves in conflicts in the Middle East, starting many of them themselves.

Some 'innocents' would have you believe that the troops dotted around the world are peacekeepers. That might be an ounce of truth inserted into many a strategic position of "interest".

One should ask what those "interests" are, first.

 

[splinter]

Tinder box..balls to it time for another cider

 

[metalblue]

US (and UK) attacks Yemen, to dissuade them from attacking shipping.
US shocked that Yemen fights back!
Groups (supported by Iran) fight back in support.
US increases attacks "in retaliation" to 3 GIs being killed a base that most people didn''t even know was there.

I can't think of any situation where an attack like the first one on Yemen ever worked, at least not since the British Empire gunboat diplomcy days.

No coincidence that this is US election year, plenty of Jewish voters and financial backers in the US.

The Houthis are not the formal or even unrecognised government of Yemen.

 

[tregyblue61]

Agreed.

Ansar Allah didn't start by killing anyone, but discouraging ships sailing through their waters delivering arms for the murder of Palestinians and then the US bombed them for it.

I'd go on but people get triggered with their bullshit MSM version of events when I call them out for it.

If, IF, any "arms" are going to Israel, they would be delivered to the Mediterranean Sea ports not through the Gulf of Aden.