VAR - 2020/21

[BlueHammer85]

We have been in that position against Spurs , ecstacy to agony in moments , and a part of football i now detest.

that’s been part of football long before VAR - it’s why we all love it really.

 

[homerdog]

He was a foot or two offside

Bollocks, again.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Why didn't the ref or linesman give it them ?

because officials can’t keep up with the speed of the game. VAR proves how much incorrect decisions would normally be given.
i don’t blame the refs - the speed of the game is so fast, players cheat etc. To expect one man and a couple linos to get marginal decisions correct is such a big ask - it’s why eventually, technological help was needed.

 

[homerdog]

I'd also be gutted losing a final to a goal like that knowing it was a foot offside

If you think that's a foot, ask your missus!

 

[PragueBlue]

because officials can’t keep up with the speed of the game. VAR proves how much incorrect decisions would normally be given.
i don’t blame the refs - the speed of the game is so fast, players cheat etc. To expect one man and a couple linos to get marginal decisions correct is such a big ask - it’s why eventually, technological help was needed.

I thought you'd be watching your game. I know it's not the most exciting (so far) but got to be better than arguing about VAR on a different club's forum.

I happen to agree with you though.

 

[BerkshireBlue]

Bollocks, again.

Evidence?

 

[hammocity]

The law needs a re-think. The defender in these situations gets the verdict because his heel happens to be an inch too far forward, no skill involved just luck as we saw today, and he is also 30m away from the player he is "playing on" Change the law to daylight between the last defender. It fits in with the other laws of the game, like the ball having to have completely crossed the line etc. It can also be argued a definite adavantage is being gained if the attacker is completely beyond the defender-something that can't be argued today or in some other situations we all have seen in the past. If it's about mm at one end of the play, no one can say whether the ball was 2mm after it was kicked because the camera angle doesn't allow it.

The technology isn't going to go away but at least tweaks to the laws can make it more palatable. And whats more it's really easy for the lawmakers to put it into place

Agree and make the torso the reference point for offside but as you say with a deviation of daylight being on or offside.

 

[cleavers]

VAR wasn't the issue in the cup final, the rules were, at speed like that the rules need to change so that a forward is only offside if there is daylight between him and the defender.

The game will eat itself eventually, the whole point of football is to score goals, having a rule that makes that more difficult is the problem, with or without VAR/referee's/assistants.

 

[BerkshireBlue]

If you think that's a foot, ask your missus!

I checked with her she said he was well off

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Haha, "a foot offside". If you say so. Might have been offside, might have not. That picture has lines on it. It used to be "half a yard" offside and now we're gutted because someone is "a foot" offside. Pre-VAR, if that goal is given then nobody says it's a travesty.

One teams fans would have declared it a travesty, the other would have blagged that he was “in line.”

This one wasn’t even that close! He looked offside on the run and he was proven to be offside, albeit a bit closer than it seemed at first blush, by VAR. Indeed, the lines and blurry images MAKE it look closer, but for me he was at least a foot offside if you look across the 18 yard line.

Either way, he was offside and it was tight. If you’re a Chelsea fan, you’re gutted and moan. If you’re a Leicester fan, you realize VAR bailed you out because the linesman didn’t give it!

What matters is that, in the end, the CORRECT DECISION occurs and everyone can move forward with the truth.

Now, could VAR and offside be improved? Absolutely!

 

[BlueHammer85]

I thought you'd be watching your game. I know it's not the most exciting (so far) but got to be better than arguing about VAR on a different club's forum.

I happen to agree with you though.

working on laptop.
got hammers on radio.
Playing well so far . COYI

 

[ChicagoBlue]

VAR wasn't the issue in the cup final, the rules were, at speed like that the rules need to change so that a forward is only offside if there is daylight between him and the defender.

The game will eat itself eventually, the whole point of football is to score goals, having a rule that makes that more difficult is the problem, with or without VAR/referee's/assistants.

I like the idea, but now VAR is out of the bag, it will be used in the EXACT SAME WAY, regardless of the determining factor. Is there “light” between the players? Is it light at the shoulders? Waist? Feet? Where should this light be measured?

If a forward is leaning forward and a defender is stood up, what if the top half shows light but not the bottom half?

For me, it should be front (most attacking) foot versus back (most defensive) foot.

Is the front foot of the attacker ahead of the rearmost foot part (usually heel, but could be toe if they are chasing back) of the defender? If there is overlap, ONSIDE, but if his WHOLE FOOT is ahead of the defenders foot, then he’s OFFSIDE!

VAR should be able to draw a 1 simple line BETWEEN them. If not, no offside!

 

[Manchester_lalala]

So you've never complained about VAR? Ever?

If you read through my post history, you will see I’ve always supported VAR. They still make baffling decisions, but you can’t really go wrong with the offside technology. I’m not saying it’s perfect, there is definitely room for improvement. I just don’t want to go back to linesman’s call.

 

[homerdog]

Evidence?

Well, even the picture you posted proves it!

 

[John Wayne]

If you read through my post history, you will see I’ve always supported VAR. They still make baffling decisions, but you can’t really go wrong with the offside technology. I’m not saying it’s perfect, there is definitely room for improvement. I just don’t want to go back to linesman’s call.

I'm quite happy to go back to the old system. It was no less perfect than what we have now. Someone maybe being a foot offside is not a travesty. Someone being three yards offside is a travesty but they are thankfully rare.

 

[cyberblue]

Ask them I haven’t got a clue.

There under the orders not to flag unless necessary

If it was offside, I thought it would be necessary to flag

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

I like the idea, but now VAR is out of the bag, it will be used in the EXACT SAME WAY, regardless of the determining factor. Is there “light” between the players? Is it light at the shoulders? Waist? Feet? Where should this light be measured?

If a forward is leaning forward and a defender is stood up, what if the top half shows light but not the bottom half?

For me, it should be front (most attacking) foot versus back (most defensive) foot.

Is the front foot of the attacker ahead of the rearmost foot part (usually heel, but could be toe if they are chasing back) of the defender? If there is overlap, ONSIDE, but if his WHOLE FOOT is ahead of the defenders foot, then he’s OFFSIDE!

VAR should be able to draw a 1 simple line BETWEEN them. If not, no offside!

The sad thing about VAR offsides for me is that it takes humans out of officiating and replaces it with inaccurate tech. Is that better?

Let the ref look at replays for 60 seconds or so and if he thinks it is on or off then so be it. if he can’t tell whether his on field decision was wrong then stay with that.

I’d do away with Slow mo on fouls too. Let them see replays of the incidents at real time speed.
it’s a sport not a computer game

 

[dubblue]

Don’t we watch football for that spontaneous moment when the ball hits the net and we all go mad. That is gone forever with VAR. When City score my default reaction now is VAR might rule it out.

 

[Blue Mist]

Even though I wanted leicester to win, that is gutting for chelsea, those player celebrations for nothing. VAR is utter bollocks. All for a mm offside call.

If it was even offside, don't know about bt but the bbc didn't seem to want to show it. A bit like the handball for Leicester goal.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Don’t we watch football for that spontaneous moment when the ball hits the net and we all go mad. That is gone forever with VAR. When City score my default reaction now is VAR might rule it out.

well both sets of fans went mad and the correct decision was reached, or would we rather Chelsea won a final they shouldn't have because they got back in with a dodgy goal?