Var debate 2019/20

[domalino]

And they'd not have got the penalty they got at home.

As you say, every team that enters has the same rules. They know that VAR will work if some teams are drawn at home. Everything is evenhanded.

If it was in any way unfair, it wouldn't be part of the competition at all.

The infuriating thing is we had the same deal with goal line technology, and no one ever complained that some grounds didn't have it, everyone was just smart enough to realise it was just as likely to help/hurt each side.

 

[DeludedRed]

You really don't get it do you. Let me explain for you. All teams in the same competition should be playing under the same laws / rules. Had that goal for Shrewsbury being scored at their ground it would have been 1-0 to Shrewsbury and who knows the how the game might have finished. Chelsea may have ended up playing Shrewsbury and their team would have been different to the one they are now going to have to play and why? Because of VAR. Now do you understand? If not I am done as it isn't difficult.

That's just it isn't it really, one team could wrongfully go through with a last minute offside goal at lower league ground, increasing their chance at silverware because var wasn't there to correct the decision.

Another team scores an identical last minute goal at a Premier League ground and it gets rightfully over turned by var and they don't win the match.

So one team gets wrongfully rewarded with a place in the next round in one match with their opponent basically being fucked over.

In the other match they get to play on and have a fair chance to finish the match in extra time.

It's not really right to have an advantage/disadvantage like that between two different matches.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Yes, the PL decision to not use VAR on goalline movement is a bit strange, but is it better than reviewing mutely every penalty save? I don't know, but I can imagine annoyance at play being stopped/brought back each time.

Why can't the linesmen see a keeper off his line is more worrying to me, as it's all they have to look at.

We can't be far off making linos redundant. Every goal scored is checked for offside, and when they are told not to flag just in case they are wrong and a good goal isn't given the light of day, and I'm certain too many of 'em don't know that the whole of the fuckin' ball has to be out for a throw-in! And how many times does the guy wait until the ref has indicated which way he wants the throw-in before wafting the flag over his head?

Actually, it's a wonder I've not been thrown out. My seat is right in line with the goal area line at the South Stand so I'm screaming offside before the ball is kicked "Get the flag out of yer arse and wave it in the air, yer pillock!"

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

The infuriating thing is we had the same deal with goal line technology, and no one ever complained that some grounds didn't have it, everyone was just smart enough to realise it was just as likely to help/hurt each side.

Goal line tech is objective, VAR is subjective

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

You are just being willfully stupid now.

Firstly, the rules are the same for all teams at all times. VAR doesn't change the rules.

Secondly, IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER AS LONG AS BOTH TEAMS ARE OFFICIATED THE SAME. VAR at home isn't an advantage to Liverpool, it's just as likely to help Shrewsbury as Liverpool.

Shrewsbury might have gotten a goal at Anfield with VAR, but they could also have conceded an offside goal with no VAR to protect them. Neither team is getting an advantage.

A child should be able to understand this.

I think you are getting mixed up with the Laws of the Game and the rules of a competition. VAR shouldn't change the Laws of the Game, but a rule of the FA cup, presumably, says that if VAR is operational on a ground then it should be used. The Laws and the rules are different things!

 

[MillionMilesAway]

The infuriating thing is we had the same deal with goal line technology, and no one ever complained that some grounds didn't have it, everyone was just smart enough to realise it was just as likely to help/hurt each side.

Hadn't thought of that. Good comparison.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

We can't be far off making linos redundant. Every goal scored is checked for offside, and when they are told not to flag just in case they are wrong and a good goal isn't given the light of day, and I'm certain too many of 'em don't know that the whole of the fuckin' ball has to be out for a throw-in! And how many times does the guy wait until the ref has indicated which way he wants the throw-in before wafting the flag over his head?

Actually, it's a wonder I've not been thrown out. My seat is right in line with the goal area line at the South Stand so I'm screaming offside before the ball is kicked "Get the flag out of yer arse and wave it in the air, yer pillock!"

I certainly agree that some linesmen have clearly been told to wait for the ref to make a decision. Bit strange.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

I think you are getting mixed up with the Laws of the Game and the rules of a competition. VAR shouldn't change the Laws of the Game, but a rule of the FA cup, presumably, says that if VAR is operational on a ground then it should be used. The Laws and the rules are different things!

VAR protocol is in the laws of the game, it doesn't change them.
The FA Cup, like any competition, has its own regs.

 

[DeludedRed]

You are just being willfully stupid now.

Firstly, the rules are the same for all teams at all times. VAR doesn't change the rules.

Secondly, IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER AS LONG AS BOTH TEAMS ARE OFFICIATED THE SAME. VAR at home isn't an advantage to Liverpool, it's just as likely to help Shrewsbury as Liverpool.

Shrewsbury might have gotten a goal at Anfield with VAR, but they could also have conceded an offside goal with no VAR to protect them. Neither team is getting an advantage.

A child should be able to understand this.

I think the point he is trying to make though is that no var could literally prevent one team getting to a replay or the next round of they fuck up with a wrongfully called goal or sending off.

Where as in another match with the same situations just with the addition of var that game is reffed more fairly compared to the other.

So yeah the two teams within one match are reffed to the same standard as eachother but the match with var has a much higher chance at a fairer outcome in the final score should there be a marginal offside or red card offence or something which can be corrected Vs a game where the refs decision stands.

 

[give it to gordon]

You are just being willfully stupid now.

Firstly, the rules are the same for all teams at all times. VAR doesn't change the rules.

Secondly, IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER AS LONG AS BOTH TEAMS ARE OFFICIATED THE SAME. VAR at home isn't an advantage to Liverpool, it's just as likely to help Shrewsbury as Liverpool.

Shrewsbury might have gotten a goal at Anfield with VAR, but they could also have conceded an offside goal with no VAR to protect them. Neither team is getting an advantage.

A child should be able to understand this.

Excuse me for butting in but would you be happy if only some teams in the premiership used VAR and some didnt ? As going by what you are saying it doesn't matter because as we play home and away it's fine. City v utd with VAR, utd v City NO VAR.