Var debate 2019/20

[SebastianBlue]

There's a million quality variables though. Some ties get good referees and some get fucking awful ones - are you going to say that delegitimises the competition? Some of the VARs never interfere at all and some of the VARs (Oliver) are getting involved in every decision so there's a massive swing in the officiating you are getting even if everyone has VAR. Some referees just listen to the VAR and some 1 or 2 will go to the monitors - that's a massive difference in officiating.



The officiating is never going to be the same across every tie, and it never has been.

No, I wasn’t making an argument for that, as it is a completely different discussion.

This was about the fairness of VAR only being used in some of the FA Cup games and in order to actually consider that you have to accept the premise that having VAR leads to more “accurate” match results (i.e. quality of performance is more impactful on the result than otherwise would be the case) than not having VAR, otherwise there would be no reason to have VAR.

I agree there are a million variables, as there is with almost anything, which is why in order to abstractly analyse anything you have to isolate the factors and potential/desired outcomes to a manageable size and then undertake logical assessment, which is what we are trying to do here. After that, if needed, you can expand the factors and potential/desired outcomes for a more broad analysis. And so on.

Otherwise someone would ask a question and the first and only answer would ever be: “There are a million variables, so it is impossible to discuss or answer.”

 

[SilverFox2]

How different is the use of var to when originally ie pre var linesmen were used?
Presumably the linesmen were there to assist correct decision making ie still a refs decision if he chooses to ignore that assistance.

Is var actually instructing or linesman like assisting decision making?

 

[Blue Maverick]

How different is the use of var to when originally ie pre var linesmen were used?
Presumably the linesmen were there to assist correct decision making ie still a refs decision if he chooses to ignore that assistance.

Is var actually instructing or linesman like assisting decision making?

Fucking linesman can’t even see if a keeper is off his line on a penalty

 

[mat]

PiGMOL standard for our matches.

 

[SilverFox2]

Fucking linesman can’t even see if a keeper is off his line on a penalty

I agree linesmen are often wrong but my point is that var either overrules the ref or guides him with only verbal evidence.

Either way surely the pitchside tv monitors should be part of this process?

 

[BlueHammer85]

Fucking linesman can’t even see if a keeper is off his line on a penalty

exactly. What chance they got on offsides and free kicks - they were actually guessing a lot of the times before VAR. ridiculous really.

 

[Phil1]

exactly. What chance they got on offsides and free kicks - they were actually guessing a lot of the times before VAR. ridiculous really.

Seeing if a keeper moves off his line is their only job on pens. They are looking right along the line!
No excuse for ever not seeing it. Offsides and free kicks are completely different.
They just don’t have the bollocks to call it on a pen.

 

[kaz7]

Premier League clubs have told referees chiefs they want to bring in a new VAR offside system for next season that will give attacking players 10cm leeway in marginal decisions. [@martynziegler]

What is that in inches for us FOC's and given they can't measure anything at the moment how can we trust that this will make any difference

 

[SebastianBlue]

Premier League clubs have told referees chiefs they want to bring in a new VAR offside system for next season that will give attacking players 10cm leeway in marginal decisions. [@martynziegler]

What is that in inches for us FOC's and given they can't measure anything at the moment how can we trust that this will make any difference

Was just coming in to post this.

My assumption is that they will do what many of us have previously suggested on here and just thicken the position line set on the second-to-last defender — if the (unchanged) position line on the relevant attacker is in or behind the defender line, they are onside.

I know some argue it is just moving the line, which in a way it is, but at least this change recognises and *attempts* to mitigate the margin of error inherent in these decisions using VAR (i.e. video frame rates and 3D mapping on 2D images systems).

And it is in keeping with the spirit of the offside rule: benefit of the doubt going to the attacker.

 

[kaz7]

Was just coming in to post this.

My assumption is that they will do what many of us have previously suggested on here and just thicken the position line set on the second-to-last defender — if the (unchanged) position line on the relevant attacker is in or behind the defender line, they are onside.

I know some argue it is just moving the line, which in a way it is, but at least this change recognises and *attempts* to mitigate the margin of error inherent in these decisions using VAR (i.e. video frame rates and 3D mapping on 2D images systems).

And it is in keeping with the spirit of the offside rule: benefit of the doubt going to the attacker.

Hmmm i don't trust them to move the lines and it make any difference,going back to daylight will only do for me,they can't hide day light