Var debate 2019/20

[SWP's back]

if it’s come to mm then the line has to be straight on 90 degree. Not from behind nor from front .

That’s the point of it being in 3D. Has fuck all to do about camera angle

 

[Segga]

Did you not celebrate when it was given either?

No I just said something like “thank fuck for that”

 

[cyan]

But it worked for us with the Penalty - although strange that it was only on the basis of encroachment not the Keeper off his line.
Do agree that it takes the joy out of a goal that you know is tight for offside.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

All that technology and it comes down to where a guy draws the line. It HAS to have some margin of error but even that introduces subjectivity. But the guy drawing the line, getting the EXACT time the ball is passed are still random imo.

Although having said that its currently VAR 1 - City 2

 

[Chi-town blues]

That’s the point of it being in 3D. Has fuck all to do about camera angle

Exactly but it’s comes down to red bs blue line .

 

[Marvin]

All that technology and it comes down to where a guy draws the line. It HAS to have some margin of error but even that introduces subjectivity. But the guy drawing the line, getting the EXACT time the ball is passed are still random imo.

Although having said that its currently VAR 1 - City 2

Can they not continually have an IT system which continually checks whether a player is offside. Should be possible with digital technology. Measuring pixels across a screen

 

[Tommy_Catons_Perm]

if it’s come to mm then the line has to be straight on 90 degree. Not from behind nor from front .

There also needs to be a tolerance. No measurement is exact. In the aircraft industry, quarter inch holes typically have a tolerance of 4 thou. It sounds silly but surely it's logical if VAR claims to measure in mm?

 

[Damocles]

This is such a simple thing that they've fucked up so royally.

What is the purpose of the offside law?

To ensure that players cannot gain an unfair advantage by not moving their positioning with the flow of the game but instead staying stationary (i.e. goalhanging).

Did Raheem Sterling have an unfair advantage due to one part of his shoulder being 0.0001mm in front of the last defender?

No. There was no advantage to Sterling in a football context by that extremely small gap. If you would have moved him back to before the offside line then the outcome would have been exactly the same, frame for frame.

Does VAR actually help enforce the point of the rules of the game?

No.

Are the people who say "you're either offside or you're not" completely missing the point?

Yes. Unless you're advocating getting an electron microscope out then the idea of absolute objective positioning is pointless, and even then you've have to measure it without somehow changing the position which breaks the laws of quantum physics. Absolute positioning doesn't exist in any meaningful context. It's not about atomic sized positioning, it's about whether or not the player gained an advantage due to his positioning.

VAR should be in the game. It should be used after every goal. But the game should continue as if there's no decision to be made and then if one needs to be made, call it back. Any decision in which you can legitimately talk about human error of the operator or the concept of absolute positioning in quantum fucking physics should not be tested with VAR.

 

[SebastianBlue]

Genuine question for the PL and FA:

What is the median margin of error for the camera assessment system used for VAR offside analysis across all stadiums in the league?

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

Can they not continually have an IT system which continually checks whether a player is offside. Should be possible with digital technology. Measuring pixels across a screen

That's a really really good point. They all wear trackers, base it upon that.