Var debate 2019/20

Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
Nothing more certain. We waltzed to the title two seasons ago. Last season, even after falling to Leicester, Palace and NUFC, and the Dippers only losing one game, we still took the title. Teams cannot produce a level of excellence that will outshine what we deliver, so they will have to find another strategy. Lo and behold, along comes VAR. Let's see how many times a penalty is reviewed this season and is awarded by VAR, not just for the Dippers or the Rags, even though they will get the lion's share, but across the PL. I ain't watching MotD until Murphy is removed, so someone else will have to do the counting. I await, not with bated breath, but I expect the first one will be along within the next few weeks, for the comment down a ref's earpiece "Michael, I think you have made a clear and obvious error there in not awarding a penalty. Do you want me to review it?'
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Agree pal. Spurs played like a bottom half of table team stringing 9 across the box at times because we were on another level especially first half. Sad twat fans leaving cheering VAR rather than their players joke.
 
gavvo said:
No I didnt misread at all. You clearly said we are the team being screwed by it but you are willing to give it time !!
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Misinterpreted perhaps then. I don't think we're being cheated if that's what you're getting at. The rules are the rules, and if they implement them equally then that's fine by me - but I need more than 2 games to see that.

manimanc said:
Dont buy the agenda?
Jason Burt this morning saying Tottenham need to beat man city to save the season.
Radio stations blatantly ignoring us, tv stations trying to make a non story a story, newspapers making shit up and generally dragging us through the mud.
Ex players of rival teams front tv shows and radio phone ins.
The list is endless.
Bottom line is the footballing body hate us, our money and our success and will try every trick in the book to derail us.
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I prefer to have a bit of faith in the game. It won't be fun for me if I pick into all the details and think everyone wants City to fail.

We won 4 trophies last season. Clearly this agenda isn't working.
jimmygrimblesboots said:
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The general consensus from the media and pundits is Sterlings offside was too close to call and the goal should have been given at West Ham , today Rodri was fouled for a penalty and was not inexpicably reviwed by VAR , and Laporte's handball was also very harsh
The two decisions in our favour where more clear cut , Sterling was definitely onside for his 2nd goal at West Ham , and Rice clearly gained an advantage by nearly 2 metres to clear the penalty rebound
In two games we have been screwed three times , which other Premier league team has suffered so many decisions in the first couple of games , and certainly not the Rags or Dippers
With due respect i think you are incorrect if you think there isnt an agenda after just witnessing at the first two games , and this will continue all season , VAR will decide the Premier league title , not football excellence.
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Sterling's offside; too close? Well, clearly not if they've got the technology which can decipher those tiny distances - if they call Salah offside for the same against us later in the season will we all moan? It has the potential to be consistent; so long as they are, then I'm fine with that one.

Laporte's handball harsh? Yep, but again if Van Dijk has one scratched against us for the same..? They can be consistent here, again if they do so, then I'm OK with giving it a try.

Rodri foul - I agree, should have been overruled, and can't see them being consistent.

Guess we'll agree to disagree regarding the agenda, like you say 2 games; that's nothing to form an opinion on. I'm willing to give it a season. I'm not saying I'll like it come the end - but I don't think 2 games is enough sample size for everyone to say it's a fix.
 
Thing is ALL football fans should get together & get this abomination stopped but because of the tribal hatred that we have for each other & the fact that it’ll mostly be City getting fucked over it’ll never happen & the game will slowly revert back to a Liverpool/Utd dominated wankfest
 
BlueMedic said:
Misinterpreted perhaps then. I don't think we're being cheated if that's what you're getting at. The rules are the rules, and if they implement them equally then that's fine by me - but I need more than 2 games to see that.

You actually said "so far we are the team being screwed by it". And I agree with you.
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BosnianBlue said:
with rule in charge, it is. Rule is shit, but it's there. If we wanted llorente's goal dismissed, than this one should be too.

The problem is that even City fans and players are giving more attention in public to that decision, than to earlier penalty ones. Allowing them to suck us into not more than 50-50 discussion, while stonewall clear ones are not mentioned at all now.
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I agree rules are rules, but you have to apply some common sense. Not one person appealed against Jesus' goal, the commentators said nothing, the referee didn't blow until after. Without VAR, I highly doubt "Controversial goal wins it for city in last minute" would be the headlines the following morning, or endless debates about whether the goal should have stood. It wouldn't even be an after thought. Its an absolute farce, and City fans and players have every right to point it out.
 
BlueMedic said:
Misinterpreted perhaps then. I don't think we're being cheated if that's what you're getting at. The rules are the rules, and if they implement them equally then that's fine by me - but I need more than 2 games to see that.


I prefer to have a bit of faith in the game. It won't be fun for me if I pick into all the details and think everyone wants City to fail.

We won 4 trophies last season. Clearly this agenda isn't working.

Sterling's offside; too close? Well, clearly not if they've got the technology which can decipher those tiny distances - if they call Salah offside for the same against us later in the season will we all moan? It has the potential to be consistent; so long as they are, then I'm fine with that one.

Laporte's handball harsh? Yep, but again if Van Dijk has one scratched against us for the same..? They can be consistent here, again if they do so, then I'm OK with giving it a try.

Rodri foul - I agree, should have been overruled, and can't see them being consistent.

Guess we'll agree to disagree regarding the agenda, like you say 2 games; that's nothing to form an opinion on. I'm willing to give it a season. I'm not saying I'll like it come the end - but I don't think 2 games is enough sample size for everyone to say it's a fix.
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Three of the most controversial decisions so far have gone against City. Just watch and see, we'll top the charts for most chalked off goals, and penalties conceeded come the end of the season.
 
ballinio said:
Thing is ALL football fans should get together & get this abomination stopped but because of the tribal hatred that we have for each other & the fact that it’ll mostly be City getting fucked over it’ll never happen & the game will slowly revert back to a Liverpool/Utd dominated wankfest
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Worse mate real football will die. It’ll be replaced by a load of geeks playing e-Sport. May as well watch fifa if you sterilise the greatest game on earth who’s beauty was linked to its simplicity
 
The application of this new handball rule is just utter bollocks. Maybe it should only be enforced if seen by the ref apart from if the ball hits an arm on the way to the net or if it’s arm to ball, in which case use VAR.
For offsides the lines should be drawn thicker to allow for errors due to frame rate and only if the two lines don’t overlap should offside be given.
 
Pell said:
I agree rules are rules, but you have to apply some common sense. Not one person appealed against Jesus' goal, the commentators said nothing, the referee didn't blow until after. Without VAR, I highly doubt "Controversial goal wins it for city in last minute" would be the headlines the following morning, or endless debates about whether the goal should have stood. It wouldn't even be an after thought. Its an absolute farce, and City fans and players have every right to point it out.
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To be fair though, the rule change was well publicised over the summer with that one and Wolves were impacted by it last weekend too. The issue is with the change in law as that is what has made handball in that context as binary as ‘over the line or not’.

Had that been given, wolves would rightly have been kicking off about it.
 
We also have to acknowledge that the VAR situation has been caused by sky and the micro-analysis of every game. Before we saw spit the dog and rat boy drawing circles on screenshots in a Monday night nobody wanted any like VAR
 
Let's be honest every goal we score this year will be under var scrutiny and they will be doing everything possible to chalk off at least 50% of them....theres no way on gods earth that we will be allowed to win the league fair and square ...rodri's tag team match today without being even looked at just showed how corrupt this whole thing is
 
Pell said:
I agree rules are rules, but you have to apply some common sense. Not one person appealed against Jesus' goal, the commentators said nothing, the referee didn't blow until after. Without VAR, I highly doubt "Controversial goal wins it for city in last minute" would be the headlines the following morning, or endless debates about whether the goal should have stood. It wouldn't even be an after thought. Its an absolute farce, and City fans and players have every right to point it out.
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The rule is a farce, but it's a rule. I don't have problem pointing about the rule being shit. But personally, I'd accept that easily if there weren't situation where VAR refs just dodn't give a fuck about it when it should advantage us. That's what I am fuming for.

I know many are mad about not being able to celebrate, emotions and that.. but I'd live with that as long as the game would be reffed fair. That's why I was a huge supporter of VAR until today. Help refs, enforce the rules whatever they are (if it is bad, it can be pressured t change it), but be fair. And don't think I'm a fucking idiot saying Rodri's penalty was not a fucking stonewall. The stonewall that ref might not see, but VAR does and does nothing with it. That part is pure cheating.
 
i kne albert davy said:
Name me one rule they don't exist in football and VAR do me a favour its the death of the game other than as a background noise in the living room.
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Tbh, not sure what you mean with name me one rule, it sounds like nonsense, but I do understand the other part. I'd be willing to sacrifice some emotions fuckups if it would be fair though. I understand many wouldn't, but I would. And that's why I supported VAR so far. But not like this. This is the worse than without it. Ref could have some benefit of doubt before, now it's proved cheating.
 
bondsman said:
Worse mate real football will die. It’ll be replaced by a load of geeks playing e-Sport. May as well watch fifa if you sterilise the greatest game on earth who’s beauty was linked to its simplicity
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The most popular team sport on earth wasn't enough for the people who make their living from it so they thought up VAR I might just leave them to it.
 
BosnianBlue said:
Tbh, not sure what you mean with name me one rule, it sounds like nonsense, but I do understand the other part. I'd be willing to sacrifice some emotions fuckups if it would be fair though. I understand many wouldn't, but I would. And that's why I supported VAR so far. But not like this. This is the worse than without it. Ref could have some benefit of doubt before, now it's proved cheating.
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We have LAWS in football not rules, and the first law should have said if it's not broken don't fix it.
 
We won 4 trophies last season. Clearly this agenda isn't working



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Apart from the CL games last season, there was nothing that the meedya could have done to deny us what we won. They couldn't scrub off goals 'cos we had so many! Any chalking off of goals would have been seen for what it was - blatant cheating, and we still have a couple of friends in the meedya who would call it for what it would have been.

I, too, have faith in the game, but not a scrap for the people running it, misgoverning it, and the hordes of hacks writing about it!
 
It’s ironic that it’s us that seems to be getting the worst of the very marginal decisions. We were all in favour of it when we thought it would stop farces like the Milner 2 yard offside, the Salah dives and the blatantly wrong decisions in our CL QF against the dippers. Now that we’ve got it it’s like Frankenstein’s monster that’s now off the leash. We should have been careful what we wished for.
 
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