Var debate 2019/20

[Neville Kneville]

-the bal came ot him from Laporte arm....thats all that matters - yes jesues made the goal but it was created and fell to him because of th deflection off Laportes arm

You are honestly saying the ball 'fell to him' ?

Even looking at the video ? What I have posted about him running to the ball, is wrong ? There is certainty in your mind, that the Spurs defender couldn't have got there ? It 'fell to' Jesus ? Really honestly, that's how you see that video ?

'Created a goalscoring opportunity' remember.

It didn't. It created a loose ball.

As you rightly say: Jesus created it.

 

[warringtonblue]

He could have hit it first time, are you telling me this isn’t a goal scoring opportunity? (Frozen before he touches it):

If he wanted to blast it against the defender yes, but that then isn't a scoring opportunity

 

[TonyM]

If Jesus passed the ball back to someone else just outside the box and they scored would that be a different "phase" so ok to score from?

I suspect not.

I'd think Jesus would have to pass it back as far as the center circle or when hed pass ig to the player outside the box that that player would switch it to the other side and then wed have a new "phase".

What a load of bollox.

 

[SWP's back]

You are honestly saying the ball 'fell to him' ?

Even looking at the video ? What I have posted about him running to the ball, is wrong ? There is certainty in your mind, that the Spurs defender couldn't have got there ? It 'fell to' Jesus ? Really honestly, that's how you see that video ?

'Created a goalscoring opportunity' remember.

It didn't. It created a loose ball.

As you rightly say: Jesus created it.

 

[Metalartin]

but thats all ifs and buts..the fact is that it hit Laportes arm (he doesnt claim a foul by the way) - maybe it does hit Skipps arm if it doesnt hit Laportes but games arent ref'd on what could happen, its ref'd on what does happen in the vast majoiry of cases (I say this as there is the situation of intent with dangerous tackles and a player can be sent off for dangerous ations even if he doesnt make contact with a player i think)

Of course it's a theoretical discussion. It would have been helpful if you actually read the post properly, rather than rushing to somehow prove me wrong.

I've already said, I'm aware the rules don't require there to be an advantage gained. They would need to be changed for any of this to matter.

However people were arguing that there was an advantage(spirit of the game argument) while overlooking Skipp's position, I was just highlighting the problem with that. You can't ignore these things when you're trying to make a case that an action has changed the outcome. It most likely would have still reached a place Jesus could latch on to it but off Skipp instead. It definitely would have hit his arm if not for Laporte, no maybe about it.

 

[SWP's back]

If he wanted to blast it against the defender yes, but that then isn't a scoring opportunity

Of course it is. A goal scoring opportunity is the ability to shoot and there’s room either side of the defender. Have you ever stood by the six yard line and seen how big a full size goal actually is?

 

[Metalartin]

Of course it is. A goal scoring opportunity is the ability to shoot and there’s room either side of the defender. Have you ever stood by the six yard line and seen how big a full size goal actually is?

Disagree, in that shot there's not a lot of goal to aim at that isn't covered by players in front of him. That's why he needed to create an angle for himself.

 

[simon23]

You are honestly saying the ball 'fell to him' ?

Even looking at the video ? What I have posted about him running to the ball, is wrong ? There is certainty in your mind, that the Spurs defender couldn't have got there ? It 'fell to' Jesus ? Really honestly, that's how you see that video ?

'Created a goalscoring opportunity' remember.

It didn't. It created a loose ball.

As you rightly say: Jesus created it.

Maybe its just the language im using

The next person to touch the ball after it hit Laporte's arm was Jesus - it was a non deliberate pass to him witht he non deliberate use of the arm......the fact that GJ gained possession of the ball after the last touh came off a city players arm is the key point...his movement etc is irrelevant.....

 

[Neville Kneville]

He could have hit it first time, are you telling me this isn’t a goal scoring opportunity? (Frozen before he touches it):

That's not fair.

He wasn't there when the ball was deflected, he reacted & moved there, which the Spurs player could also have done. The deflection did not give the ball to Jesus, he went & got to a loose ball.

It was the very defintion of loose ball with several players in with a chance of getting it.

The Spurs player is facing the ball & was outplayed by Jesus.

Also, Jesus is not still in that picture, he is moving away from goal, which is why he took it further.

 

[Paulpowersleftfoot]

Clever cunnts the Premier League, bring in VAR to check and check again whether someone may be offside by a nostril hair but completely ignore blatant penalties, fucking genius

With Var being run by the very same officials who were completely overlooked for the World Cup because they weren’t deemed adequate enough,is it really any wonder it’s turned to shit
It would be far more surprising if it had been running without any issues

 

[Neville Kneville]

Why do this, when you could show a still frame of Jesus' position when the ball hit Laporte ?

I have posted the video.

 

[simon23]

thank you - look where Laprte is (remembering that its an out swinging corner from a right footed player meaning the direction of travel of the ball MUST have been changed from the original flight of the ball....therefore if it does hit anyone the ball carries on its original flight path towards the edge of the area....
..GJ wouldnt have got anywhere near the ball if it hadnt hit someone else.....now if it had come off Skips hand instead the goal would have stood - but it didnt

 

[The blue phantom]

And the VAR should be mic’d up and he comes over the tannoy at every ground when he’s called upon so we can hear what he’s reviewing.

It's just becoming clear that the refs working Var are not altering their mates decisions regarding pens on the pitch, basically making them look inept.

If the Rags aren't getting a stonewall pen via Var, at home, then no one is.

 

[SWP's back]

Disagree, in that shot there's not a lot of goal to aim at that isn't covered by players in front of him. That's why he needed to create an angle for himself.

That’s the foreshortening of the tv angle. Stand there by the six yard box with a defender standing in front of the keeper and there’s plenty to aim at.

It’s a goal scoring opportunity. I can’t actually believe I’m having this discussion now.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Maybe its just the language im using

The next person to touch the ball after it hit Laporte's arm was Jesus - it was a non deliberate pass to him witht he non deliberate use of the arm......the fact that GJ gained possession of the ball after the last touh came off a city players arm is the key point...his movement etc is irrelevant.....

It wasn't a non deliberate pass to him, it was a non deliberate pass to an empty area of the penalty area.

 

[Metalartin]

thank you - look where Laprte is (remembering that its an out swinging corner from a right footed player meaning the direction of travel of the ball MUST have been changed from the original flight of the ball....therefore if it does hit anyone the ball carries on its original flight path towards the edge of the area....
..GJ wouldnt have got anywhere near the ball if it hadnt hit someone else.....now if it had come off Skips hand instead the goal would have stood - but it didnt

See you are arguing if's and buts yourself without realising it.

 

[simon23]

Why do this, when you could show a still frame of Jesus' position when the ball hit Laporte ?

I have posted the video.

because its irrelevant - it comes off LAPORTES ARM and goes to GJ - GJ diretion of runhas nothing to do with this.....FFS!

 

[Blue Mist]

As Ken Dodd once said 'What a beautiful day for getting fucked over by VAR'

 

[simon23]

See you are arguing if's and buts yourself without realising it.

No im just looking at facts - so to keep it simple

The ball hits Laporte arm, changing the drection of the flight of the ball. the next touch is by a city player (GJ) who takes a touch and scores....the inadvertant pass by Lapote creates the opportunity and therefore the goal (whoever hurtful) is correctly disallowed - is the rule right -no but that s just my opinion...was the goal correctly ruled offside - yes by the rules of the game

 

[Metalartin]

That’s the foreshortening of the tv angle. Stand there by the six yard box with a defender standing in front of the keeper and there’s plenty to aim at.

It’s a goal scoring opportunity. I can’t actually believe I’m having this discussion now.

Nah you're taken a still an placed your own context to it. There wasn't an opportunity to shoot first time from the position he received it from. I've watched the replay thankyou.