Var debate 2019/20

[SWP's back]

Factual decisions, such as offside or if a foul was committed inside or outside the penalty area, will not be subject to the "clear and obvious error" test.

This. Doesn’t actually say this in their or the International rules just on PL web page. It is their interpretation of how the rule shall be used.

Mate, Mike Riley, head of PGMOL has said it every time as has every commentator and pundit talking about it.

It’s not some rouge PL interpretation.

 

[SWP's back]

Laporte was not the player who gained control of the ball after it touched his arm.

But did it create a goal scoring opportunity?



This from Mark Halsey’s twitter page. He’s not nodding dog and also said Oliver should have been told to view the monitor as he’s sure he’d have given a penalty for the foul on Rodri.

 

[Fred_Quimby]

Mate, Mike Riley, head of PGMOL has said it every time as has every commentator and pundit talking about it.

It’s not some rouge PL interpretation.

I know where you are coming from SWP, old mother Riley can say what he likes and as head of the refs he should be following the rules of the game as laid down by the International law makers. The only place it says about ignoring ‘clear and obvious’ is on the PL webpage. It is the PL interpretation. If you can find it any where on the International or in the FA’s own rules I would be more than happy to read it.

 

[johnnytapia]

It didn't break the law.

Is the correct answer. Good to see someone on here who knows the handball rule.

 

[kaz7]

Again, the handball by Laporte meant the goal was correctly ruled offside.....Going by the IFAB rules that someone posted the other day and then read the detailed explanation of that rule it was rightly ruled offside. (Someone posted the link the other day and then when you went to the website and hovered over the rule it game you a detaled explanation of them which was worded in such a way that meant the goal was correctly ruled out.

Im not sure which other goal you are talking about but Im assuming it the GJ one vs West Ham....why was that wrong to rule it offside? It was extremely close but he was just offside? All goals are reviewed autmatically so it doesnt have t be a clear and obvious error to envoke that review

Not at any time did eric gain controll/.possession of the ball,that is the governing bodies rule,it was raz v west ham and again according to the prems own rules it was not clear and obvious,do you even read the rules

 

[Sir peace frog]

Is the correct answer. Good to see someone on here who knows the handball rule.

It did ,his handball changes the direction of the ball straight to jesus ,any hand on the ball whether deliberate or not is now a handball against the attacking team

 

[Ric]

There’s been a couple today that haven’t gone in the favour of other teams too that were pretty obvious to me.

Just for the sake of balance...

Fairly blatant penalty not given for United just now.

 

[caseball]

But did it create a goal scoring opportunity?



This from Mark Halsey’s twitter page. He’s not nodding dog and also said Oliver should have been told to view the monitor as he’s sure he’d have given a penalty for the foul on Rodri.

If he didn't gain control/possession first, then the other two conditions didn't apply. Scoring a goal directly from a non-deliberate handball is dealt with in its own separate amendment. This amendment refers to the player controlling the ball after a non-deliberate handball and then scoring himself or making a goal chance for himself or another player. For these two conditions to be applicable requires the player who scores or creates a chance to first gain control/possession after the ball hits him. After it hit Laporte, the next player to gain control was Jesus.

This was probably what they sent out to refs. It includes videos of incidents to illustrate every amendment to the law concerning handball. The examples they have used have nothing in common with Saturday's incident in any way. They back up the letter of the law not an interpretation of the letter of the law. I know it's boring to go through it all but it does cast a rather large shadow over either the intelligence or the integrity of the officials involved.

https://theifab.com/presentation-of-ifab-log-2019-20/

 

[Tim of the Oak]

VAR chaos at the Rugby League Grand Final. A second good try ruled out. This time for what looks a bogus VAR call designed to support the ref on field decision

 

[kaz7]

There are pitch side monitors yes but they’re trying to avoid using them hence the high bar/threshold on telling the ref to use it.

A last minute winning goal doesn't qualify for a look so what exactly does
Savage and a women ex player just put walton in the spot about this mystical threshold for pens,they said does it depend on how hard the players get kicked or do they have to get injured,he waffled and when they said so it's ok to kick a player in the box and he said no but it has to be clear and obvious to meet the new threshold,he made no sense and no player on bt today agrees with him