Var debate 2019/20

[simon23]

Yet again you are attacking City fans, the Rags have had one contentious decision and I have previously explained why that might not have been given but we have had 4 in 3 matches given against us, all of which pundits are saying are total joke decisions that is why Blues think we are being singled out. Pep is now commenting on it so it isn't just us.

And ive not said that any of those penalties shouldnt have been given...the rodri and silva one yesterday were stone wallers.

but even the owner of this site has said that the idea that its a conspiracy against city is laughable.

Pep is rightly annoyed at the not given penalties - but its not about us being singled out, its about the tech not being used properly.

 

[Bandofblues]

Yeah but as I’ve said, 32 reviews not turned over on penalties. It’s a fucking joke, but it’s the same joke for every team. We are back to relying on the incompetence of refs watching in real time.

It seems refs are more unwilling to call a penalty this year, possibly for fear of being proved wrong by a VAR review.

 

[mosssideblue]

Its complicated because it's used in this country and viewed by numpties, who think the ref should be always 100% right, the guy stands on Merlins foot and the Var ref says no penalty, corruption before our very eyes.

Absolutely spot on and it is a huge embarrassment (or should be) to the FA. If there isn't a step change in its application, I can see it being canned next season.

For whatever reason, the FA want to keep the reviews opaque to the public, and this is its biggest mistake if they want it to be universally accepted imo.

 

[simon23]

The offside one is easy, as several of us have said; just draw a 3rd line. The 3rd line being the maximum 'allowance' line for error. Still there will be some who are half a millimetre over that line & unlucky, but crucially NOBODY who.gets a goal disallowed will be 'onside' between frames etc. All goals disallowed will be correct.

Eveyone can live with that & anything well inside that line can be seen in one second, so fewer delays.

yeah i mentioned that last week -- a critical margin of error that is allowed. Maybe this and the clear daylight between attacker and defender would solve 99.9% of the issues for the offside at least?

 

[simon23]

2 When they first introduced reviews in cricket there was massive opposition from commentators who claimed it would undermine umpires. But now it’s almost 100% accepted, especially by the umpires. There’s been a huge culture shift.

Joel Wilson will be bitterly regretting this morning that the Aussies didn’t have one more review left yesterday.

I dont and have never followed cricket at all but that culture shift that you mention is exactly what is needed

 

[stonerblue]

I noticed 2 instances yesterday of players deliberately kicking the ball at a defenders arm. One in our game and another in the Barca match. I've bookmarked the date.

 

[west didsblue]

I think we've got to accept the fact that VAR will be shite this season but it will improve for next season.
It's not just us that have had poor penalty decisions, the rags have had similar and so have other clubs. Liverpool haven't yet but I suspect they will suffer because they won't win pens for cheating (e.g. Salah diving) because VAR would be used to prove lack of contact so refs will be less inclined to give them unless they're absolutely sure as they won't want their decisions overturned. It seems the threshold for VAR cancelling penalties is much lower than for giving them.
They will have to do something about these millimetre offside decisions either by introducing a margin of error or changing the rule that there has to be clear daylight between players because the current implementation is farcical when the recording equipment is not fit for purpose. Finally the handball rule that cancelled Jesus's goal but allowed Llorente's in the CL will need sorting, although having read the rule I think it's more a guideline on interpretation that needs to be issued.

 

[squirtyflower]

Yeah but as I’ve said, 32 reviews not turned over on penalties. It’s a fucking joke, but it’s the same joke for every team. We are back to relying on the incompetence of refs watching in real time.

Ive never accused them of ‘picking’ on little ole City, what they are doing is effectively ‘picking’ on everyone and ruining the game for their own gains

 

[simon23]

I noticed 2 instances yesterday of players deliberately kicking the ball at a defenders arm. One in our game and another in the Barca match. I've bookmarked the date.

i thought there was something inthe rules that meant that that wouldnt be a penalty/offence against the player that it hit...something along the lines of distance to react or something?

 

[SWP's back]

It seems refs are more unwilling to call a penalty this year, possibly for fear of being proved wrong by a VAR review.

It appears they are bottling* them and thinking “well if I’m wrong the var will tell me”.

*unless you’re Salah