Var debate 2019/20

[stonerblue]

What it needs if fucking off. If someone can tell me how it has improved the game then i'm all ears.
Still not been to a match yet.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

To some extent.
What it needs is the reffing system to be updated. I don't know how they do it elsewhere, but I bet it's more open.

There are ways it might happen:
UEFA/FIFA instruction to be more transparent (they've done it in other areas)
PL pressure as a result of supporter feedback (this includes sponsors reacting to supporters)

There may be others.

My impression (admittedly from TV games) is that this technology is being managed better in the USA and Europe. They don't seem to be using the bizarre Mike Riley interpretation of the new handall rules. It would be good to hear from fans abroad as to how it is working. I haven't seen any stupid "offside by one millimetre" calls in foreign games. Inter Milan got a very tight call last night in the CL which looked just level but they seemed to apply the old "attacker gets benefit of the doubt" rule.

 

[Paladin]

I was paraphrasing obviously, or I'd have quoted it. Hackett of IFAB disagrees with you, and his explanation is how the laws are being reffed.

The current explanatory notes on this include this, which is wider than the law wording, and what is being reffed:
• football expects a player to be penalised for handball if they gain possession/control of the ball from their hand/arm and gain a major advantage e.g. score or create a goal-scoring opportunity

I think the significant part is the interpretation of the 'gains possession' line. Any strike on an attacker's hand/arm counts; it also makes sense to me that it encompasses the ball falling to any player on the attacking team once it's hit them, and not just the player struck. It was how the Wolves disallowed goal was reffed, and for Laporte (arguably a wide interpretation of creating a GSO). The Newcastle goal that was allowed was declared an error by Riley.

I agree it is about interpretation, but guidance should not override written law. The law should in itself be sufficient to avoid ambiguity.

In this case, the interpretation, or guidance, goes beyond what the law actually says. That's why the law needs rewriting.

Hackett can disagree with me all he likes. It doesn't change the fact that the interpretation is only there because the law is poorly constructed. Incidentally, Elleray has emailed me to give the same explanation as Hackett. If the referees applied the laws strictly as written, they wouldn't need to go around giving interpretations and clarifications. They might instead need to change the law next year so that they actually lay down 'what football wants', which isn't the current fiasco.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

My impression (admittedly from TV games) is that this technology is being managed better in the USA and Europe. They don't seem to be using the bizarre Mike Riley interpretation of the new handall rules. It would be good to hear from fans abroad as to how it is working. I haven't seen any stupid "offside by one millimetre" calls in foreign games. Inter Milan got a very tight call last night in the CL which looked just level but they seemed to apply the old "attacker gets benefit of the doubt" rule.

i don't know either, but I don't recall any in internationals either, so you may be right.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

I agree it is about interpretation, but guidance should not override written law. The law should in itself be sufficient to avoid ambiguity.

In this case, the interpretation, or guidance, goes beyond what the law actually says. That's why the law needs rewriting.

Hackett can disagree with me all he likes. It doesn't change the fact that the interpretation is only there because the law is poorly constructed. Incidentally, Elleray has emailed me to give the same explanation as Hackett. If the referees applied the laws strictly as written, they wouldn't need to go around giving interpretations and clarifications. They might instead need to change the law next year so that they actually lay down 'what football wants', which isn't the current fiasco.

My bad, I meant Elleray, not Hackett. Hackett was the predecessor at IFAB. Thank you for the name correction.

My understanding is that the law was written with 'gaining possession' being viewed for the team; I just don't believe that they thought a ricochet from hand to a teammate to prod home was going to be considered to not be covered, as that would be obviously just as bad. Due to the aobviousness of that example, I think the interpretation is obvious as being encompassed by the law.

As I said, the Wolves one fell to a teammate, and there was no fuss at all about it being disallowed. Laporte's falling to a teammate should be viewed the same. There is a different argument as to whether it was a GSO, but not that City gained possession.

 

[Gordyola]

My impression (admittedly from TV games) is that this technology is being managed better in the USA and Europe. They don't seem to be using the bizarre Mike Riley interpretation of the new handall rules. It would be good to hear from fans abroad as to how it is working. I haven't seen any stupid "offside by one millimetre" calls in foreign games. Inter Milan got a very tight call last night in the CL which looked just level but they seemed to apply the old "attacker gets benefit of the doubt" rule.

Last night

 

[jayfx]

I'm sick of hearing 'teething problems'. It's in use now and there's blatent problems/issues with it that need changing but are not being addressed. Refs not checking the monitors, <1mm offsides, VAR not willing to give latent penalties that the ref missed etc.

I accept it might take a little time to tweak it and get it right but starting tweaking it ffs!

As for pitch side monitors, why can't they just check the big screens, so everyone can see it? Didn't they do that in the rugby at weekend with Australia's late try? They don't need to run to the side of the pitch to watch it by themselves.

 

[fierydan]

My impression (admittedly from TV games) is that this technology is being managed better in the USA and Europe. They don't seem to be using the bizarre Mike Riley interpretation of the new handall rules. It would be good to hear from fans abroad as to how it is working. I haven't seen any stupid "offside by one millimetre" calls in foreign games. Inter Milan got a very tight call last night in the CL which looked just level but they seemed to apply the old "attacker gets benefit of the doubt" rule.

Would have been nice to see the graphic proving he was onside otherwise conappreciate might believe Milan were favoured by VAR

 

[stonerblue]

And that disallowed bullet header in the mickeys game was a cracker. Still not sure why it was disallowed.

 

[ali benarbia's studs]

it s a failure on so many levels, imo.

FIFA and UEFA and FA are the one s to blame,shocking its in use and nowhere near what it should be. A Farce!