Var debate 2019/20

mosssideblue said:
I dont have an issue with VAR and I expect it will get more decisions right than wrong, but wtf does it take so long to reach a decision
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Well.. I’ll give you a clue.. 500 posts on this thread, all looking at the goal from different angles and it’s still 50/50 split of goal vs no goal

What they need is a panel of say 5 experts, all have a goal or no goal button and they have to press it in 10 seconds
 
spanishblue said:
So the VAR staff can invoke what they choose ? It's open too so much corruption when they can show the angles they choose and which dessisions they choose to look at. It's shit and as I stated earlier in the thread is would rather put up with a few bent refs than some faceless bent twat that can't be called out
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I believe it works like this:
every goal is reivewed
offsides or ball out of play can be judged definitively by VAR as they are yes/no incidents without onfield input
possible fouls/handballs are judgement calls, and VAR can recommend that the ref review at pitchside (this obviously failed at Schalke)
 
inbetween said:
So refereering decisions via VAR are not decided by the refs but by Sky Sports?

I'm not a tin foil hat person but how come the second angle is available now but not at the time?
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I’m not sure why that would be but the Italian VAR referee is, apparently, widely regarded as the best one. He’s seen a handball but it can’t have been from that slowed down footage shown on tv.
What’s really frustrating is that if the pitch side monitor wasn’t working, like against Schalke, it would have been disallowed.
When I saw the replay the ref saw, i thought it wasn’t handball but when BT (the host broadcaster), then shows another angle that clearly shows it hits his hand, you do wonder what the point of VAR is.

As an interesting aside, I believe that is the first decision in the CL, that has gone to VAR, that HASN’T been overturned...........
 
inbetween said:
Not blaming Sky at all but why haven't the VAR refs got access to all angles regardless?

What is the point in it if they haven't?
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Failure to provide angles - absolutely.

My comment was more that it's harsh to blame Sky for a BT sport show! Not a comment on the concept of broadcaster influence.
 
I think I’m done with football after this season. Not sure if I’m just feeling bitter about last night, but for me something about my love for football died last night with VAR. it genuinely felt like aguero moment part 2 with me going mental for about 3 minutes and then it being ruled out. The spontaneity will go with VAR and it’ll take away one of the main reasons I love football over sports like cricket
 
Even if the video assistance is used. It's all 2nd spur of the moment stuff, and they are going to make mistakes. For me a video panel should only intervene if it's clear and obvious error. I am thinking of how it should be in future, not how it is now where all goals are I believe reviewed. I do not know all the VAR insights and rules.

I hope City fans are not going to go down any conspiracy route. We lost out on the night in the most marginal of circumstances and it feels draining and very disappointing but we still have a lot to fight for and the right thing feels like focusing 100% on the next game.
 
Theengelbert said:
Well.. I’ll give you a clue.. 500 posts on this thread, all looking at the goal from different angles and it’s still 50/50 split of goal vs no goal

What they need is a panel of say 5 experts, all have a goal or no goal button and they have to press it in 10 seconds
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Why do I need a clue?. Its a very simple process that should be able to conclude a decision in seconds, not minutes. I suppose its the VARs panel 15 min of fame moment so they milk it
 
Theengelbert said:
I think I’m done with football after this season. Not sure if I’m just feeling bitter about last night, but for me something about my love for football died last night with VAR. it genuinely felt like aguero moment part 2 with me going mental for about 3 minutes and then it being ruled out. The spontaneity will go with VAR and it’ll take away one of the main reasons I love football over sports like cricket
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It will change I think. It has to. I was holding back celebrating all the goals last night and that's not right.
 
bewildered said:
I think he means that at this exact moment the ball is still travelling towards Bernardo, the next frame would be interesting as Sergio is moving back into an onside position.

Basically this is about as marginal as it gets, Sergio could well be on side at the moment of contact with Bernardo, that was my instinct at the time.
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It's an opinion certainly. No way to say if it's wrong for certain, but I don't agree.

I don't think that anything would have changed in the fraction of a second before the ball touches Bernardo.
 
mosssideblue said:
Why do I need a clue?. Its a very simple process that should be able to conclude a decision in seconds, not minutes. I suppose its the VARs panel 15 min of fame moment so they milk it
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So why are there 500 posts of people quoting the rules and still disagreeing if it’s so simple. None of this is simple, they need to simplify the handball rule that might be better but they’ve made it so complicated that you can’t figure it out quickly even if you’re a ref I think
 
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
Is this how it works? In my septugenarian naivete I thought that UEFA had their own system, independent of any commercial interest?
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They take their footage from the host broadcaster. The problem is that once VAR is enacted nobody knows what happens next. I’d have assumed that the VAR ref would show the footage that backed up his reasoning for going to VAR but, apparently not.
 
Claytop said:
Yeh I read that and thought we'd be done over too. But nowhere in any official documents are these UEFA instructions. So are these instructions from Rosseti to the UEFA officials but not written down as any law?
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I don't think they have to be written down in law. It can just be a directive, such as the directive from UEFA from January this year that penalties should be awarded for handball in the box for incidents such as ours last week v Spurs, United's v PSG, and Schalke v us a couple of months ago
 
give it to gordon said:
Is it VAR or just us fans aren't told the rules
If it hits a defenders arm pen
If it hits a strikers arm goal.

They can 'see' Agureo was off side but can't see it hit the spurs players arm ....who decides what view/angle to show the ref ????
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Son was offside by an arm for their goal at their place.

Apparently arms can't score goals which is why it wasn't offside..............................
 
Theengelbert said:
I think I’m done with football after this season. Not sure if I’m just feeling bitter about last night, but for me something about my love for football died last night with VAR. it genuinely felt like aguero moment part 2 with me going mental for about 3 minutes and then it being ruled out. The spontaneity will go with VAR and it’ll take away one of the main reasons I love football over sports like cricket
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That’s the one thing for me, I’m not bothered about whether it was handball or whether it was offside...

I’m just bothered about the natural elation of it being a goal when the ball hits the net. That’s the one thing that makes football special. Rugby is a good game but running into a huge end zone and putting the ball down doesn’t have the same feeling that seeing the ball hit the net in football. I’ve been wishing for VAR for years but never experienced it to realise that what makes footy special is in danger of being taken away.

Having to hold back celebrating goals isn’t right. There’s no better feeling than a goal going into the net. That’s where the stresses of life are forgotten about, in that very moment.
 
Mad Eyed Screamer said:
Can someone explain to me (as US coverage was shit and didnt show it) who gave the offside. The one replay US TV showed (about 15 mins after the game) the linesman had his flag down the enture time Aguero had the ball. So how did the ref know? The bloke in var replayed it immediately? And told the ref?
The game had restarted and I still thought we were winning 5-3 as i was going mad in the pub!
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MillionMilesAway said:
All goals are reviewed, I think. The ref can invoke on certain things, but offside can be invoked from the VAR people. I assume this is what happened.
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Linesmen are told to keep flag down when it’s close so that VAR can deal with it Makes sense as he could flag play is stopped but he’s wrong. So what is the purpose of linemen’s now, one may ask?
 
Gordyola said:
Linesmen are told to keep flag down when it’s close so that VAR can deal with it Makes sense as he could flag play is stopped but he’s wrong. So what is the purpose of linemen’s now, one may ask?
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A good question. They do tell when the ball is out of play at the side!
They can see obvious offsides, I guess.
Occasionally they've been known to give fouls, but some don't even seem to do that.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
A good question. They do tell when the ball is out of play at the side!
They can see obvious offsides, I guess.
Occasionally they've been known to give fouls, but some don't even seem to do that.
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Most wait for the ref to decide a throw in as well
 
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