The ball hitting Llorente's hand wasn't shown to the on-field ref or the watching public during the VAR check.The ball hitting Llorente's hand wasn't shown to the on-field ref or the watching public during the VAR check.
It was only after the game was back underway that we were shown it, so you can't blame the ref.
Walton is painful and always appears to agree with the decision made by the on-field ref.
Even last night, Sissoko was obviously pointing for some attacker to be picked up behind him as he closes Mane down.
Mane from about 3 yards, kicks the ball at him and it hits his chest before bouncing against his arm.
It wasn't even goal bound, but VAR didn't overturn it.
Hoddle was trying to explain it, but was swimming against the tide and didn't stand a chance against that gang.
Walton saying his hand was in an 'un-natural position'?
It was bollocks, how was he supposed to point towards someone at the back post?
Anyway, my point is that all of those recent handball penalty decisions made by VAR in UEFA competitions, make it quite clear that although not a single one of them was deliberate, the ball hitting the hand is given as handball.
I presume there is only one set of rules in football, so with VAR coming to the Premier League next season, there should be loads more penalties awarded.
So, get your dough on whoever takes penalties for first scorer.
That is of course, unless PL refs are playing to a different set of rules!
Hmmm.....
Its still not conclusive, thats the trouble, one ref will give it another wont, at the end of the day it hits his chest then his arm, thats not a pen for me and even the new rules state its not a pen if it deflects off your body onto your arm ???its nothing to do with var, its a rule change from uefa, which will be implemented by the prem next year
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47471380
All depends which team....you know the score.My view too, then I read this
"But a handball will not be a free-kick if...
which surely means the Mane incident wasn't (or shouldn't have been) a penalty?
- the ball is knocked on to a hand by the player in question or a nearby player"
Its still not conclusive, thats the trouble, one ref will give it another wont, at the end of the day it hits his chest then his arm, thats not a pen for me and even the new rules state its not a pen if it deflects off your body onto your arm ???
I guess VAR is a case of careful what you wish for you might get it . Think we all wanted VAR to clear up the injustice type of decisions, but I don't think we realized that the way it's going to be used is going to take the emotion and excitement out of the game . The game !ast night was spoiled by that penalty decision so early, dippers could see the prize early and didn't care how they got to it ,spuds never got into their stride after it so the game never developed into a spectacle. So for the sake of being "correct" we had that as the show piece final a game that did nothing to advance the English game abroad but that's ok cos everything was deemed correct .
Not defending VAR but had nothing to do with last night’s awful game Ref gave the pen and VAR saw it has correct More likely the biggest cause of the awful football was, two over hyped teams having a three week gap of no footballI guess VAR is a case of careful what you wish for you might get it . Think we all wanted VAR to clear up the injustice type of decisions, but I don't think we realized that the way it's going to be used is going to take the emotion and excitement out of the game . The game !ast night was spoiled by that penalty decision so early, dippers could see the prize early and didn't care how they got to it ,spuds never got into their stride after it so the game never developed into a spectacle. So for the sake of being "correct" we had that as the show piece final a game that did nothing to advance the English game abroad but that's ok cos everything was deemed correct .
It (VAR) should only be used for offsides. The rest is up to the ref. Offsides are a matter of fact - you can't be a bit pregnant. Goal-line technology and offsides only. Yes please.I guess VAR is a case of careful what you wish for you might get it . Think we all wanted VAR to clear up the injustice type of decisions, but I don't think we realized that the way it's going to be used is going to take the emotion and excitement out of the game . The game !ast night was spoiled by that penalty decision so early, dippers could see the prize early and didn't care how they got to it ,spuds never got into their stride after it so the game never developed into a spectacle. So for the sake of being "correct" we had that as the show piece final a game that did nothing to advance the English game abroad but that's ok cos everything was deemed correct .
Finally..I was pro VAR but with each passing game i change my mind,the handball rule change is going to kill the prem next season,it'll be one long kicking the ball at the defender to get a pen,no beautiful football except us
We have been done over twice in the CL,this tells me that VAR can be used to manipulate the games,i'm out for now
How is yesterdays handball a penalty but when Llorente uses his hand to score it is considered a fair goal. This is the second time in a row we were robbed from being in the CL semifinals.
i dont agree with the rule
but it was given because the rule says
handball will be given against a player if their arms extend "beyond a natural silhouette" - even if it is accidental.
“Pep’s poor team selection”
Probably won us the PL and FAC 3 consecutive games v Spurs lost the one we could afford to loose more than the others, and only because of a penalty miss by Sergio
The law does not say that at all, plus players run and walk and jump, and it is natural for arms to swing and raise.
If it comes off your body first it won't be hand ball from now on if accidental unless they score or inadvertently control the ball etc