Var debate 2019/20

[tonea2003]

This was the first thing that came to my mind yesterday when I saw the replay. Never liked the idea of VAR and now that it’s been introduced it’s proving to be more trouble than it’s worth.

the ref gave the pen without var to be fair

 

[PistonBlue]

This was the first thing that came to my mind yesterday when I saw the replay. Never liked the idea of VAR and now that it’s been introduced it’s proving to be more trouble than it’s worth.

The idea of VAR is in itself only a good thing in theory. But it's already plain to see that decisions are being made to suit whatever narrative UEFA want it to suit. The Llorente handball and last nights handball illustrate that.

 

[Marvin]

yes it does, and it came into play yesterday

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47429316

like i said i don't like it, but its why the pen was given

But Sissoko was not in the line of sight of the goal and the ball strikes his chest first. It's not an Otamendi, or PSG call.

They got it wrong.

 

[HelloCity]

That handball would have been a pen 10 years ago by many refs never mind in a VAR era.

Not that VAR mattered as the ref gave it instantly himself anyway.

Seen miles and miles worse handball decisions given against City over the years. Sterling vs Spurs, Dunne at Millwall, one away at Chelsea in 2011. Non of them were VAR related either.

 

[HelloCity]

The idea of VAR is in itself only a good thing in theory. But it's already plain to see that decisions are being made to suit whatever narrative UEFA want it to suit. The Llorente handball and last nights handball illustrate that.

What does VAR have to do with it? The ref gave it instantly and lesser handball decisions were given all the time in a pre-VAR world.

Maybe there needs to be a separate thread for handball decisions...

 

[Corky]

yes it does, and it came into play yesterday

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47429316

like i said i don't like it, but its why the pen was given

That is on about next season and the full list was publicised yesterday, it look like interpretation rather than a change in the law to me. However if it hit the player then his hand/arm.

But a handball will not be a free-kick if...

• the ball is knocked on to a hand by the player in question or a nearby player

So chest to hand is not handball

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/4838225

 

[Citizen in Pakistan]

Shouldn't have been a penalty. Poch showed why he is as much a bottler as Spurs though. Kane straight in despite not being 100% fit. Embarrassing. Left out the player who won them the semi... awful management. Should have dropped Alli for Kane if anyone. Big game bottle job.

Poor guy got done with pressure build up my media, and end up selecting kane, he killed what ever chance they had

 

[HelloCity]

That is on about next season and the full list was publicised yesterday, it look like interpretation rather than a change in the law to me. However if it hit the player then his hand/arm.

But a handball will not be a free-kick if...

• the ball is knocked on to a hand by the player in question or a nearby player

So chest to hand is not handball

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/4838225

Yeah, that’s always been the way but they often always got given anyway - even before VAR.

Sterling vs Spurs - Back then elbow.
Richards vs Liverpool - Leg then arm.

Handball has always been an iffy rule and always been so inconsistent in how it’s applied.

 

[Sir peace frog]

I guess VAR is a case of careful what you wish for you might get it . Think we all wanted VAR to clear up the injustice type of decisions, but I don't think we realized that the way it's going to be used is going to take the emotion and excitement out of the game . The game !ast night was spoiled by that penalty decision so early, dippers could see the prize early and didn't care how they got to it ,spuds never got into their stride after it so the game never developed into a spectacle. So for the sake of being "correct" we had that as the show piece final a game that did nothing to advance the English game abroad but that's ok cos everything was deemed correct .

I didn't want it because it takes the emotion and excitement and opinion out of the game, that's what I thought before var and will think now , every goal n the champions league is muted because we don't know what's coming next, and it will be the same in the premier league, football isn't accountancy where everything has to be correct, football can be a massive kick in the bollox at times, but that's football, but it seems todays generation feels like everything must be correct or it will hurt peoples feelings

before VAR when a goal is scored you celebrate quick look to the lino jobs a goodun,now you have to wait 3 minutes. they will introduce music next and as someone said xfactor type voting,

as for that handball,that hasn't been handball in 100 years of football,but for some strange reason the powers that be have decided that it is, wingers firing the ball at defenders when there's nobody in the box, there will be no more cry of miss the first man ,now it will be hit the first man,they are changing football for the worse.

 

[PistonBlue]

What does VAR have to do with it? The ref gave it instantly and lesser handball decisions were given all the time in a pre-VAR world.

Maybe there needs to be a separate thread for handball decisions...

It went to VAR did it not? That'll be what VAR has got to do with it then.

 

[blueparrot]

That is on about next season and the full list was publicised yesterday, it look like interpretation rather than a change in the law to me. However if it hit the player then his hand/arm.

But a handball will not be a free-kick if...

• the ball is knocked on to a hand by the player in question or a nearby player

So chest to hand is not handball

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/4838225

No you're right except last night the ball from is chest didn't bounce up to his arm. The ball was dropping and he brought his arm down onto the ball so it was arm to ball.

 

[HelloCity]

It went to VAR did it not? That'll be what VAR has got to do with it then.

Well it wouldn’t be classed as a clear and obvious error so like all big decisions they would look at it but there wasn’t enough to change it.

The ref gave it himself instantly as he would have done in most instances prior to VAR.

You’re actually bigging up VAR in a way because it was the ref who made the decision and you’re wanting VAR to change it. It wouldn’t even be under review without VAR so there would be zero chance of it being over turned.

So in reality, you’re happy VAR reviewed it but you’re unhappy with the decision by the reviewer?

 

[tonea2003]

That is on about next season and the full list was publicised yesterday, it look like interpretation rather than a change in the law to me. However if it hit the player then his hand/arm.

But a handball will not be a free-kick if...

• the ball is knocked on to a hand by the player in question or a nearby player

So chest to hand is not handball

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/4838225

it came into play 1st june mate

he had his arm out in the unnatural silhouette as they say

Another change to the laws of the game means that if the player's arms extend beyond a "natural silhouette", handball will be given, even if it is perceived as accidental.
i get it contradicts the above but that's why it was given

 

[tonea2003]

But Sissoko was not in the line of sight of the goal and the ball strikes his chest first. It's not an Otamendi, or PSG call.

They got it wrong.

handball is handball mate got nothing to do with the sight of goal

if its in the box a pen if not a direct free kick from the point of offence

 

[Bill]

I was pro VAR but with each passing game i change my mind,the handball rule change is going to kill the prem next season,it'll be one long kicking the ball at the defender to get a pen,no beautiful football except us
We have been done over twice in the CL,this tells me that VAR can be used to manipulate the games,i'm out for now

100% on the money.

 

[Corky]

it came into play 1st june mate

he had his arm out in the unnatural silhouette as they say

Another change to the laws of the game means that if the player's arms extend beyond a "natural silhouette", handball will be given, even if it is perceived as accidental.
i get it contradicts the above but that's why it was given

Except the bold bit which you ignored.

 

[PistonBlue]

Well it wouldn’t be classed as a clear and obvious error so like all big decisions they would look at it but there wasn’t enough to change it.

The ref gave it himself instantly as he would have done in most instances prior to VAR.

You’re actually bigging up VAR in a way because it was the ref who made the decision and you’re wanting VAR to change it. It wouldn’t even be under review without VAR so there would be zero chance of it being over turned.

So in reality, you’re happy VAR reviewed it but you’re unhappy with the decision by the reviewer?

Yes that's me.
I'm in favour of VAR in theory, but not the execution. The whole point of it is aid the officials, to get the big decisions right and to make the game fairer to all as a result. My problem with lasts nights decision is that I'm comparing it to Llorente's goal against us. So looking at those two in isolation I cannot fathom how one is a handball and one isn't. Maybe I can't take off the blue specs but just can't see how Llorente isn't a handball but last nights is. I just can't.

 

[MadchesterCity]

Never a deliberate handball, referee decided to give the game to Liverpool as they provided the latte brown bag of money!

 

[HelloCity]

Yes that's me.
I'm in favour of VAR in theory, but not the execution. The whole point of it is aid the officials, to get the big decisions right and to make the game fairer to all as a result. My problem with lasts nights decision is that I'm comparing it to Llorente's goal against us. So looking at those two in isolation I cannot fathom how one is a handball and one isn't. Maybe I can't take off the blue specs but just can't see how Llorente isn't a handball but last nights is. I just can't.

It’s because Llorente’s arm was against his body whereas last night the arm was completely outstretched.

 

[Grassland Blue]

I didn't want it because it takes the emotion and excitement and opinion out of the game, that's what I thought before var and will think now , every goal n the champions league is muted because we don't know what's coming next, and it will be the same in the premier league, football isn't accountancy where everything has to be correct, football can be a massive kick in the bollox at times, but that's football, but it seems todays generation feels like everything must be correct or it will hurt peoples feelings

before VAR when a goal is scored you celebrate quick look to the lino jobs a goodun,now you have to wait 3 minutes. they will introduce music next and as someone said xfactor type voting,

as for that handball,that hasn't been handball in 100 years of football,but for some strange reason the powers that be have decided that it is, wingers firing the ball at defenders when there's nobody in the box, there will be no more cry of miss the first man ,now it will be hit the first man,they are changing football for the worse.

So much in this post I agree with.
To me the referee's decision is final and if VAR is to be used, then it should be the referee who asks to see the machine and no one else.