Var debate 2019/20

[SebastianBlue]

I'd say not because Mane deliberately hits it at his arm.

I agree with you on that but I unsure how it relates to my point about VAR implementation.

 

[bert38]

Two years ago Refs allowed opposition players to kick sh*t out of our players without punishment, this season Liverpool had decisions go their way in countless games-neither worked. Next season VAR will become a subjective tool to try to hamper us-just as it was the champions lg this.

 

[Gabriel]

Thought I’d copy the new rule in full out:

Except for the above offences, it is not usually an offence if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm:
• directly from the player’s own head or body (including the foot)

So, last nights decision a correct implementation of the new law. Llorente’s against us would also have been disallowed

Assuming that applies to a defender, it would seem that the referee called that wrongly and VAR should have referred it to him last night.

 

[mosssideblue]

VAR will be nothing more than an additional tool used to ensure that whatever pre-determined outcome is required can be justified.

Sad, but true. There is no excuse for not being transparent in its operation, but they choose not to

 

[Abattoir Blue]

I agree with you on that but I unsure how it relates to my point about VAR implementation.

Think I might have misinterpreted the third bullet point in 2nd section. Though does that mean as he played it off chest first it wouldn't be handball?

 

[SebastianBlue]

Think I mightbhave misinterpreted the third bullet point in 2nd section. Though does that mean as he played it off chest first it wouldn't be handball?

Oh, I was commenting about the Llorente handball.

I think last night’s decision was very harsh, as it did hit Sissoko’s chest first, but I could see it given in general (although Sissoko was seemingly just gesturing for one of his teammates to get back to cover, he is just asking for a professional footballer to intentionally hit it up to try to get the penalty, which is exactly what happened).

That said, I think it was so quickly given, even though the ref did not have a great view of the incident, because there was likely an influence (however small) on the officials to try to aid Liverpool in winning yesterday. And the VAR “review” was always very unlikely to change the referees call on the pitch for that reason.

I am of the opinion the powers that be desperately wanted Liverpool to win yesterday, and I am also fairly confident that VAR is going to be used to manipulate outcomes in the same way referees have for decades, not least because UEFA continue to refuse to alter the current implementation to allow for basic transparency in decision making and consistency in application.

 

[tonea2003]

Except the bold bit which you ignored.

except i didn't if you re read the post

 

[jimmygrimblesboots]

The original hand ball rule , was if an opponent moved his arm towards the ball , hence the saying "ball to hand" which was considered accidental , it now appears any contact with the arm or hand is now 95% nailed on penalty , which is ridiculous , players naturally put their arms out for balance etc., The rule needs to be reconsidered only deliberate hand ball i.e. a movement towards the ball to gain an advantage should be penalised.

 

[blueparrot]

The original hand ball rule , was if an opponent moved his arm towards the ball , hence the saying "ball to hand" which was considered accidental , it now appears any contact with the arm or hand is now 95% nailed on penalty , which is ridiculous , players naturally put their arms out for balance etc., The rule needs to be reconsidered only deliberate hand ball i.e. a movement towards the ball to gain an advantage should be penalised.

The old rule is far better than the new ones and next year will cause mayhem, it should be hand to ball not ball to hand.
However my argument is once he had his arm up and it hit his chest he should have kept his arm up , the ball didn’t bounce up from his chest it was bouncing away. Only when he brought his arm down did it hit his arm and drop at his feet . In my opinion it was arm to ball and he did gain an advantage as it pulled the ball back to drop at his feet.

 

[Gabriel]

Most worrying thing about this is that ‘expert’ referees and players are so eager to back the officials and the system that they ignore the rules. Ignorance of the rules is disgraceful but so, too, is the reluctance of those in the booth to question the referee. The ball hit his chest and then his arm so not a penalty. The referee presumably thought the ball had struck his arm first and that is a clear and obvious error. The decision should have been reviewed and overturned.

If they can make such mistakes in the biggest game in European football, Heaven help us in August.