Var debate 2019/20

dobobobo said:
If the ball hits the defenders arm then it's not a penalty because it was accidental. If the ball hit Laporte's arm then the goal has to be ruled out because even though accidental, it enabled City to score.

Which is why I've been banging on here all afternoon that where is the proof it hit anyone's arm? In cricket, tennis they have all sort to prove it. In football we just have opinion with possible hidden agendas.
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I didn’t think accidental was even a word any more in this context. Accidental or not - it doesn’t matter; it’s irrelevant.
Happy to be corrected if I’m wrong.
 
Still fuming from yesterday, Gabbys goal ruled out for so called handball from Eric though he didn’t have fuckin clue where ball was,then to top it off Rodders doesn’t get a blatant and clear pen,I was really looking forward to this season,but I can see from 2 games in,it’s going to be a **** of a season,oh well.
 
Just saw last bit of Chelsea and Leicester game and Leicester just had an offside in last min which they put in anyway. Found myself thinking how funny if VAR overruled the linesman and the goal stood. And that typified VAR. if you are a fan (go to the game) I imagine most think it is awful the way it has been implemented and will ruin the spontaneity and atmosphere. If you are watching half arsed - ie where the money is (TV) then VAR is pure gold. In other words —-Totally made for TV. And totally shite for real fans but ok if you are just a follower. I bet all those who watched last night and then switched over for StrictlyCome Dancing (or whatever is on) Thought it was great
 
You can absolutely 100% guarantee if a Liverpool or United player gets wrestled to the floor in the box it will be referred to VAR if the referee doesn’t automatically give the penalty.

If there is one incident for either team like that this season, Ric or any of the other mods can delete my account on the spot. I’ll put a tenner on me being here saying the same thing next season and the year after and the year after that too.
 
Nothing worth a look at in the chavs game and dippers yesterday,they seem to be making things up for us
They said everything is reviewed at normal speed but i don't buy that,they need to be given a time limit,view it a couple of times and if nothing obvious move on,it's supposed to be clear and obvious not looking for a mm here and there
 
dobobobo said:
If the ball hits the defenders arm then it's not a penalty because it was accidental. If the ball hit Laporte's arm then the goal has to be ruled out because even though accidental, it enabled City to score.

Which is why I've been banging on here all afternoon that where is the proof it hit anyone's arm? In cricket, tennis they have all sort to prove it. In football we just have opinion with possible hidden agendas.
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There isn’t any, it’s just silly cúnts naively believing it to be true because it’s a VAR ruling and we’ve been told they’re 100% infallible by the corrupt twats running it. Despite proof Sterling may or may not have been offside last week which again we were told was 100% correct.
 
chesterbells said:
I didn’t think accidental was even a word any more in this context. Accidental or not - it doesn’t matter; it’s irrelevant.
Happy to be corrected if I’m wrong.
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Doboboo is 100 per cent correct in what he’s saying !

When there is a point when they can 100 per cent prove it Like in tennis and rugby its open to interpretation , so what’s the point about n having it ! Stick with the refs and goal line technology ....
 
ctid1894 said:
There isn’t any, it’s just silly cúnts naively believing it to be true because it’s a VAR ruling and we’ve been told they’re 100% infallible by the corrupt twats running it. Despite proof Sterling may or may not have been offside last week which again we were told was 100% correct.
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Yep. Which is why I refer to football now as nothing more than a soap opera. It makes the broadcasters, and bettting companies, etc. billions of pounds.
 
chesterbells said:
That article says goals to be disallowed regardless of intent, or if accidental.
Am I missing something here? @BlueMooney
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Sky couldn't say if it touched his arm or the defenders.there is no clear proof either way,at most it brushed his arm but didn't help the balll onto gabby,they tried hard to chalk it,the whole thing is wrong,the way they have set it up is to stop goals and up the other end give less pens as that has to be deliberate handball,they are trying to stop what makes us love football,it is not a great ad for anyone who loves the prem
 
chesterbells said:
That article says goals to be disallowed regardless of intent, or if accidental.
Am I missing something here? @BlueMooney
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Jesus wept! Did you watch the video clip from MOTD that's in the article? Did you read to the end of the article?

Here, I'll help you. Skip to 30 seconds in the video clip and read the end of the article below.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49388102

So is the issue the rule itself?
Whether or not VAR is your thing or not, the video officials are just doing their job and enforcing the rule. The rule itself, though, is also attracting criticism.

"There is not one player on that pitch who thought that was a handball or who complained," said former England captain Alan Shearer on Match of the Day after the disallowing of Jesus' goal against Tottenham.

"Hugo Lloris is laughing; they've gained a huge advantage and that is what he is thinking about it.

"There are two players making similar actions towards the ball and if it hits the defender's arm, it is not given as a penalty - so that is not fair is it?"

City playmaker Kevin de Bruyne said "The rules should be clear. If the ball had touched somebody of Tottenham's arm, it's not a penalty, but if it touched our arm, it is not allowed.

"It should go both ways in something like that. I don't understand that as a player."
 
dobobobo said:
If the ball hits the defenders arm then it's not a penalty because it was accidental. If the ball hit Laporte's arm then the goal has to be ruled out because even though accidental, it enabled City to score.

Which is why I've been banging on here all afternoon that where is the proof it hit anyone's arm? In cricket, tennis they have all sort to prove it. In football we just have opinion with possible hidden agendas.
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The ball changed direction mate if it hadn’t it wouldn’t have gone to Jesus
 
I see part of the problem is the desire is not undermine the referee. The VAR crew can overturn the goal because neither the referee, or anyone else, could spot the handball in real time. So no shame of the ref'.
With the penalty shout, the VAR crew think to themselves "The ref's dropped a bollock here, it's an obvious pen". However to pipe it down Oliver's ear, makes him look foolish and risks his credibility, so they leave it.
 
karen7 said:
Sky couldn't say if it touched his arm or the defenders.there is no clear proof either way,at most it brushed his arm but didn't help the balll onto gabby,they tried hard to chalk it,the whole thing is wrong,the way they have set it up is to stop goals and up the other end give less pens as that has to be deliberate handball,they are trying to stop what makes us love football,it is not a great ad for anyone who loves the prem
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I agree with you fully about that incident yesterday and I was absolutely gutted. I was just raising a more general but technical point about the role of ‘intention’ Karen.
 
chesterbells said:
I agree with you fully about that incident yesterday and I was absolutely gutted. I was just raising a more general but technical point about the role of ‘intention’ Karen.
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Don't mind me i'm still annoyed lol
The atackers,if the ball touches their hand or arm it's handball full stop,up the other end if it touches the defenders arm or hand then it has to be deliberate and the arm outside of their natural silloette(sp) thus stopping goals scored whilst giving less pens,it's like they have plucked some work experience kid from tesco's to make up the rules,how football men can want to stop goals is mindboggling
 
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