VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

[Pingu the Penguin]

How bad was it? I. Never heard that, just that it's something football could learn from.

And does anyone know why Rugby would be allowed to play live audio but football can't? Seems like a reason they're throwing out there to stop them having to do that.

Probably bad language from the players ruining the brand, rather than something overt to hide, would be my guess. Or it could expose officials not knowing the rules properly. Dunno. But it sure is odd

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

If that's the case why are the vast majority in a certain teams favour. Rashford/Grealish Handball and KDB none penalty in the cup final, Spuds none penalty Martinez foul, None penalty against wolves, dodgy calls in their Liverpool and Arsenal game last season. Its a torrent in a certain teams favour and that's just off the top of my head.

If it was just incompetence it would be spread out evenly amongst all teams....

I did say biases creep in when there's chaos.

 

[blueinsa]

The VAR ref and the onfield team have an open line of communication and talk during the game - there was a good video of Jarrett Gillett doing his last A-League game before coming to England and they played the comms live.

Most likely the ref and linesman were 50/50 and the VAR ref said ‘looks like a pen’ from their position so they gave it onfield before reviewing.

If VAR think it’s a possible penalty they ask the ref to go take a look at the first opportunity.

They don’t instruct the ref in real time to give a decision as that goes against what we have always been assured of, only the on-field ref will make the final decision.

It’s bullshit, the game is ran by crooks from bunkers.

 

[Bluearmy]

I did say biases creep in when there's chaos.

Its the refs/officials that have deliberately created said chaos.

 

[BlueHammer85]

If that's the case why are the vast majority in a certain teams favour. Rashford/Grealish Handball and KDB none penalty in the cup final, Spuds none penalty Martinez foul, None penalty against wolves, dodgy calls in their Liverpool and Arsenal game last season. Its a torrent in a certain teams favour and that's just off the top of my head.

If it was just incompetence it would be spread out evenly amongst all teams....

Man U fans/manager are furious they didn’t get awarded a penalty v spurs in their last game.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Here’s a thought…..we are about 3 or 4 years into this VAR experiment and I was wondering….is it not beyond the wit of man or technology for the guys at Pigmol to have started to build a library of video tapes of situations that are similar, such as the fouls BY the goalkeeper on the forward. Then when it happens again they consult their library and say…we gave it a foul then, it’s very similar/ same so we give the same result ! Not rocket science. Another example the Liverpool forward who got fouled on the edge of the box….you look for similar fouls in other games and give the same decision….is that not how to get CONSISTENCY?

Consistency comes from good training and accountability. If they did what you suggest in-game, each decision would take ten minutes. Unless we sack off all the refs and let AI do it.

Hmmmm ........?

 

[halfcenturyup]

Man U fans/manager are furious they didn’t get awarded a penalty v spurs in their last game.

Not this again. All managers and fans will always be furious when they don't get what they want. It's human nature. But the OP said the vast majority, not all.

 

[danielwood5]

Man U fans/manager are furious they didn’t get awarded a penalty v spurs in their last game.

Yeah, anybody involved with United are always furious when they have to play to the same rules as everyone else.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

What really bugs me with VAR and PGMOL is that after the utd onannanana non penalty against wolves, its generally accepted that utd will now suffer harsher decisions for a period.

That is something iv seen with city when something has gone our way, against a backdrop of outrage, we get decisions against us in the following weeks.

If that is true, then that is clearly PGMOL making in field decisions that are NOT based on the game but on which team are playing.

Quite scandalous if true tbh. And quite a pandoras box.

 

[Blue Mist]

Remember last season, Chelsea v Spurs, when it ended 2-2. Romero pulled Cucurellas hair just before Kane scored a 96th minute equaliser. Everyone said it was a clear foul and a sending off. Taylor the ref didn't give it and Var didn't intervene....... and now we know why.
Mike Dean on Var that day has now admitted that because Taylor is a mate, he didnt want to 'cause him any grief' by telling him to go to the screen so he ignored it.
Dean has admitted it in an interview with Simon Jordan.

 

[TinFoilHat]

Probably bad language from the players ruining the brand, rather than something overt to hide, would be my guess. Or it could expose officials not knowing the rules properly. Dunno. But it sure is odd

I believe it's something to do with naked mole rat. When he gets angry his voice goes up 10 octaves and any live broadcast of it caught on microphone might burst millions of viewers eardrums.

 

[youngbob]

Just fucking unbelievable stuff in this article.

Mike Dean admits he failed to intervene on Var decision to protect his ‘mate’ Anthony Taylor

Former video assistant referee admits to making the 'pathetic' call at the climax of Chelsea's 2-2 draw with Tottenham last August

www.telegraph.co.uk

In a remarkably candid admission, Dean said he made the “pathetic” call at the climax of the 2-2 draw between Tottenham and Chelsea last August.

Cristian Romero pulled Marc Cucurella’s hair seconds before Harry Kane’s 96th minute equaliser, and Dean acknowledged that in the heat of the moment he made a bad choice not to suggest on-field official Taylor consider a sending off offence.

“I missed the stupid hair pull at Chelsea versus Tottenham which was pathetic from my point of view,” Dean told Up Front with Simon Jordan.

“It’s one of them where if I had my time again, what would I do? I’d send Anthony [Taylor] to the screen. I think I knew if I did send him to the screen … he’s cautioned both managers, he’s had a hell of a game, it’s been such a tough game end to end.

“I said to Anthony afterwards: ‘I just didn’t want to send you to the screen after what has gone on in the game’. I didn’t want to send him up because he is a mate as well as a referee and I think I didn’t want to send him up because I didn’t want any more grief than he already had.

 

[TinFoilHat]

Just fucking unbelievable stuff in this article.

Mike Dean admits he failed to intervene on Var decision to protect his ‘mate’ Anthony Taylor

Former video assistant referee admits to making the 'pathetic' call at the climax of Chelsea's 2-2 draw with Tottenham last August

www.telegraph.co.uk

In a remarkably candid admission, Dean said he made the “pathetic” call at the climax of the 2-2 draw between Tottenham and Chelsea last August.

Cristian Romero pulled Marc Cucurella’s hair seconds before Harry Kane’s 96th minute equaliser, and Dean acknowledged that in the heat of the moment he made a bad choice not to suggest on-field official Taylor consider a sending off offence.

“I missed the stupid hair pull at Chelsea versus Tottenham which was pathetic from my point of view,” Dean told Up Front with Simon Jordan.

“It’s one of them where if I had my time again, what would I do? I’d send Anthony [Taylor] to the screen. I think I knew if I did send him to the screen … he’s cautioned both managers, he’s had a hell of a game, it’s been such a tough game end to end.

“I said to Anthony afterwards: ‘I just didn’t want to send you to the screen after what has gone on in the game’. I didn’t want to send him up because he is a mate as well as a referee and I think I didn’t want to send him up because I didn’t want any more grief than he already had.

Makes you wonder what was said from VAR to deny the Wolves penalty.

Hooper: Mate..It's a penalty but if you give it you're getting killed. Not only by Fergie, but the gaffer is also there trying to stop Fatty Moss eating his scran.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

It's a fucking joke. He should be fired for those comments. Basically admitting that he follows the rules selectively depending on the circumstances of the game. That cost Chelsea 2 points. They would have gone up from 12th to 11th with those two points, which is £2.2 million. They should sue him for it.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

It’s an utterly bizarre thing to publicly admit.

 

[Nellies left peg]

It’s an utterly bizarre thing to publicly admit.

He’s admitted he was scared to death of anything happening during the match. Surely the whole point of him being sat there. I always suspected VAR was flawed by referees not wanting to undermine their mates and now we know it’s most definitely the case

 

[halfcenturyup]

It’s an utterly bizarre thing to publicly admit.

He clearly doesn't see the problem with saying these things. The immaculate training of an ex-PC shining through.

 

[blue moony]

After that Interview it has to be aired the conversation ...

Basically they won't call certain things to protect each other as they are mates ....

We all knew it , just surprised he said it .......

They need regulating from an independent body ...

Wankers

 

[Nellies left peg]

He clearly doesn't see the problem with saying these things. The immaculate training of an ex-PC shining through.

Didn’t realise he was ex dibble. Explains a lot about his personality . Even if he sent Taylor to the monitor surely Taylor has the bollocks to make his own mind up and not give it just because he’s asked to look again but see for himself and decide

 

[cheekybids]

Man U fans/manager are furious they didn’t get awarded a penalty v spurs in their last game.

What about the penalty spurs didn’t get in the same game?