VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

[BlueHammer85]

@BlueHammer85 must be asleep today. No he was here this morning but declined to comment, lol

On holiday, like I can be arsed debating VAR with those who don’t want to debate - you just want an echo chamber of whinging, moaning and crying corruption against decisions you don’t like.
VAR will get decisions wrongs and never be perfect, I’ve always said it.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

On holiday, like I can be arsed debating VAR with those who don’t want to debate - you just want an echo chamber of whinging, moaning and crying corruption against decisions you don’t like.
VAR will get decisions wrongs and never be perfect, I’ve always said it.

Why is VAR and PMGOL shrouded in secrecy , why is that Bluehammer? Why are they not open , why don't they discuss decisions in public on audio and on screen. Why is only selected audio of theor choosing released at times of their choosing. If you had nothing to hide surely you act this way as it only increases the accusations.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Why is VAR and PMGOL shrouded in secrecy , why is that Bluehammer? Why are they not open , why don't they discuss decisions in public on audio and on screen. Why is only selected audio of theor choosing released at times of their choosing. If you had nothing to hide surely you act this way as it only increases the accusations.

Webb confirms FIFA have banned VAR audio being played live as Neville nails it

Howard Webb, who is in charge of refereeing body PGMOL, appeared on Monday Night Football to give an in depth explanation of how VAR works in the Premier League

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[Stephen230]

....but only in England and used to a different set of standards throughout the top leagues all around the entire world, and further, is it applied evenly in your opinion?

As far as I know, we are the only one of the top leagues still using the manual ‘drawing lines’ system.

You can argue all day about whether the lines are always being drawn in the right place. And we’ve seen from the ‘Mic’d up’ programmes that the choice of which frame to use is almost pot luck, as it seems that one either side is almost offering the exact same image to the naked eye a lot of the time.

But specifically on the point of the tolerance level. Once the computer guy has being instructed which frame to use and where exactly to measure the two lines from, it isn’t a human decision whether the tolerance level is applied. If the two lines that the computer generates were to be overlapping at all, the computer will instead just produce one line alongside an “onside” graphic.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Why is VAR and PMGOL shrouded in secrecy , why is that Bluehammer? Why are they not open , why don't they discuss decisions in public on audio and on screen. Why is only selected audio of theor choosing released at times of their choosing. If you had nothing to hide surely you act this way as it only increases the accusations.

Dunno , I don’t work for them.
Would guess any Audio released wouldn’t please anyway, just more shouts of corruptions and over analysing everything being said.

 

[Andy TheCatalyst Morrison]

Dunno , I don’t work for them.
Would guess any Audio released wouldn’t please anyway, just more shouts of corruptions and over analysing everything being said.

Can you not see how VAR is sucking the life out of the game?

 

[BlueHammer85]

Can you not see how VAR is sucking the life out of the game?

Nope, not really, just a cliche .
Very frustrating when they get it wrong but watching football is probably more entertaining than it’s ever been. Champions league games proving that lately.

 

[the-ecstacy-of-eight]

As far as I know, we are the only one of the top leagues still using the manual ‘drawing lines’ system.

You can argue all day about whether the lines are always being drawn in the right place. And we’ve seen from the ‘Mic’d up’ programmes that the choice of which frame to use is almost pot luck, as it seems that one either side is almost offering the exact same image to the naked eye a lot of the time.

But specifically on the point of the tolerance level. Once the computer guy has being instructed which frame to use and where exactly to measure the two lines from, it isn’t a human decision whether the tolerance level is applied. If the two lines that the computer generates were to be overlapping at all, the computer will instead just produce one line alongside an “onside” graphic.

....but, all of the elements I've highlighted above are 100% human judgements and decisions, and as a result the rest of the "automated process" is flawed and the automation is immaterial, it's already been contaminated by errors and possible bias.

It's a can of worms this VAR debacle.

 

[Andy TheCatalyst Morrison]

Nope, not really, just a cliche .
Very frustrating when they get it wrong but watching football is probably more entertaining than it’s ever been. Champions league games proving that lately.

Genuine question, do you go to games?

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Webb confirms FIFA have banned VAR audio being played live as Neville nails it

Howard Webb, who is in charge of refereeing body PGMOL, appeared on Monday Night Football to give an in depth explanation of how VAR works in the Premier League

www.mirror.co.uk

First of all whwre have FIFA said this. I will only accept that explanation when i see it from the horses mouth.

Secondly if there is nothing stopping them releasing it afterwards do it for every game and in full.

The key word there is we are looking at releasing it afterwards. But still he chooses not to! . That is all you need to know. 100% ulterior motives at play in these decisions. The thing is a sham.