VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

Would you want VAR scrapped?


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As ever with everything VAR the rules they apply are nonsensical. Regardless of whether you agree with the partisan support rules with referees you would surely concede that if it applies to the ref it should apply to the VAR?

We shall see what the outcome of it is. If it’s “how dare you question the integrity of the refereeing team and VAR” this is not an answer in itself. The integrity of referees has been proven to be suspect in Italy and the Barca case calls into question their integrity in Spain. Why not England?
Forest didn’t request his removal from being VAR, so i guess they were fine with it until they didn’t get the decision in their favour.

Isn’t his non-refereeing them down to their match at Old Trafford, rather than team allegiance?

I’d be more sympathetic if they actually had any evidence to prove anything.
 
Forest didn’t request his removal from being VAR, so i guess they were fine with it until they didn’t get the decision in their favour.

Isn’t his non-refereeing them down to their match at Old Trafford, rather than team allegiance?

I’d be more sympathetic if they actually had any evidence to prove anything.
This is in dispute. PIGMOL say not

 
Oh I agree with that, I’ve never liked VAR and would quite happily scrap it tomorrow!

As I said earlier in the thread though, that’d rely on people accepting the referees decision and stop scrutinising video evidence so much - that ship as already long sailed unfortunately.
Again I sort of agree but end up disagreeing. The chagrin with poor VAR decisions is that with tech available, which refs don’t, they STILL get it wrong

The other killer for me is that there are actually sensible things to be done to improve things but there is no interest whatsoever in doing so
 
Forest didn’t request his removal from being VAR, so i guess they were fine with it until they didn’t get the decision in their favour.

Isn’t his non-refereeing them down to their match at Old Trafford, rather than team allegiance?

I’d be more sympathetic if they actually had any evidence to prove anything.

They requested it before the game. Doesn’t make it right though.

Was always going to happen as soon as they hired Clattenburg though, that was a worrying development in itself. If anything, that’d potentially create a subconscious bias against them more than anything else…
 
I think the issue is, referees are judged by impossible standards against rules that aren't fit for purpose and are ever-changing with technology.

A lot of it VAR is to blame but VAR in essence isn't a problem, it's the rules brought in to accommodate VAR are a problem. It's this implementation of the rules that has a lot of us sick to death of VAR.

Clear and obvious needs a rethink.
VAR: What did you see happen?
Ref: I saw this...
VAR: That's fine or review on monitor and make your own decision (do not show incident in slow motion).

The handball rule. Last year I actually thought was working. In essence every handball where the arm was away from the body was a penalty. It was wrong from a deliberate standpoint but at least it was consistent. They've moved away from this now though, where some are given and some arent and I get why this is happening. Most handballs just aren't deliberate, including the Young one, the Grealish one and Wan Bissaka's one against Coventry which all happened at the weekend. They either need to go back to accidental handball or awarding every pen again. The in-between just leads to more inconsistencies.

The PGMOL does need to improve the standard but I get why its hard to do. Lower leagues dont have VAR so the training pathway is much harder. Plus who'd be a ref at the moment with the abuse they get. I probably would given the money they get but the abuse is brutal.

I do think clubs and fans need to grow up with the statements put out. I'm sick to death of hearing about the officials every week, they make mistakes and have been making them for decades. The talk around it in the last few years has gotten worse. Sometimes they're shit but a lot of the time it only gets called out because the team that are calling out the decisions have been just as shit that day.

Sometimes though the officials aren't as shit as some think. TNT's commentators were essentially calling the referee in the Lille-Villa game an idiot last week for failing to send Martinez off in the shootout. It wasn't until a producer pointed out the rules around yellow cards in shootouts had changed that they realised they were wrong. Did they apologise though? Did they fuck.

Semi-automated offsides are coming in, that's worked in Europe and the World Cup, so there's one change that makes the game better and hopefully helps referees.

I know that reads like I'm defending PGMOL, I'm not, as an organisation they are a mess, the training isn't up to standard and they've not done enough to simplify the implementation of the rules. It does feel like a mess of a job to do though.

I suppose I'm just sick of it being about decisions the ref has made every week and not the football being played on the pitch. Forest have scored the 4th least goals and conceded the 5th most, on top of having 4 points deducted. The refs aren't the only reason they're fighting relegation.
 
They requested it before the game. Doesn’t make it right though.

Was always going to happen as soon as they hired Clattenburg though, that was a worrying development in itself. If anything, that’d potentially create a subconscious bias against them more than anything else…
Surely you’re not suggesting that a former referee may have been suspect from an integrity perspective………?

:-)
 
Again I sort of agree but end up disagreeing. The chagrin with poor VAR decisions is that with tech available, which refs don’t, they STILL get it wrong

The other killer for me is that there are actually sensible things to be done to improve things but there is no interest whatsoever in doing so

There could be I agree and as much as I want it scrapped, I know that’s not going to happen now so got to focus on that instead. I just don’t like anything that alters the match day experience at the top level compared to others - I get it works for other sports but there’s a lot more objective decisions involved in those rather than subjective.

There’s absolutely improvements that can be made though, particularly in the objective decisions. They can be automated more and sped up at least. The subjective decisions, if they can get to a point where they share the audio then great. I get the challenge of doing that though.
 

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