at this point would anything pgmol do or say actually surprise you?
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VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)
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fair play, its the first ive seen of the showThey did one of these shows last season and announced at the start of the season that these would be done monthly throughout the season, so its got nothing to do with us supposedly benefitting
give it to gordon
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I was surprised how poor the communication between the pitch ref and VAR refs.
Talking over each other just seemed like blokes in the pub chatting over the noise.
Who would have thought that the Aussies have it better !
Talking over each other just seemed like blokes in the pub chatting over the noise.
Who would have thought that the Aussies have it better !
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Wtaf? Webb has now decided Ake's goal should have been offside? I don't know where I am with any of this any more.
Firstly, we all know Akanji was clearly offside in the spirit of the game, because he was in an offside position and the keeper had to wait until the ball passed him before completing his save, at least he had to delay it. But this is what they said after the Rashford non-offside decision. "
"The real case for discussion is about Ederson, and whether his actions would have changed had Rashford not been there. Perhaps, but Rashford doesn't impact the goalkeeper's ability to come and play the ball. He may affect his choice to do so, and how he might shape for a save, but the law doesn't discuss how a player might behave differently if the offside player isn't present; it only discusses the ability of an opponent to play the ball."
This was from Dale Johnson's article, but it is based on feedback given by the PL and PGMOL.
So now fast forward to Webb and Akanji. "It certainly appears Akanji has an impact on Leno the goalkeeper who seems to hesitate. We think it's a clear situation of offside, unfortunately it wasn't identified on the day. This was an error."
So which is it, for fuck's sake?
I used to think VAR audio would show the world that referees really do know what they are doing, and that they make sound, rational, even consistent decisions based on the laws and their guidelines. That was before the Rashford nonsense. Now this just confirms they make it up as they go along with nary a consideration of the actual LOTG or their idiot guidelines. They can all get fucked. Cunts.
Firstly, we all know Akanji was clearly offside in the spirit of the game, because he was in an offside position and the keeper had to wait until the ball passed him before completing his save, at least he had to delay it. But this is what they said after the Rashford non-offside decision. "
"The real case for discussion is about Ederson, and whether his actions would have changed had Rashford not been there. Perhaps, but Rashford doesn't impact the goalkeeper's ability to come and play the ball. He may affect his choice to do so, and how he might shape for a save, but the law doesn't discuss how a player might behave differently if the offside player isn't present; it only discusses the ability of an opponent to play the ball."
This was from Dale Johnson's article, but it is based on feedback given by the PL and PGMOL.
So now fast forward to Webb and Akanji. "It certainly appears Akanji has an impact on Leno the goalkeeper who seems to hesitate. We think it's a clear situation of offside, unfortunately it wasn't identified on the day. This was an error."
So which is it, for fuck's sake?
I used to think VAR audio would show the world that referees really do know what they are doing, and that they make sound, rational, even consistent decisions based on the laws and their guidelines. That was before the Rashford nonsense. Now this just confirms they make it up as they go along with nary a consideration of the actual LOTG or their idiot guidelines. They can all get fucked. Cunts.
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I was surprised how poor the communication between the pitch ref and VAR refs.
Talking over each other just seemed like blokes in the pub chatting over the noise.
Who would have thought that the Aussies have it better !
Jarred Gillett is in the Prem now I think?
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I think in some aspects you're wrong mate, the issue for me isnt that we benefitted from a dodgy decision its how it was reported and played out in the media, as i have said in the past, skys actual headline was city beat fulham 5-1 after contentious second goal, like that singular incident was central to the whole game, at no point were there any headlines saying utd eek out win against wolves after none penalty call or utd helped to victory over forest after contentious sending off and penalty, or how about liverpool put 3 past bournemouth after surprising penalty decisions.
Of course it was a contentious and downright dodgy decision but as i have said in the past and other people have said to put that as the headline and defining point of the game and literally have programmes on a tuesday night after the game was on a saturday still discussing it is crazy, where was all this when utd, arsenal, liverpool all benefitted from contentious decisions that actually were game changers.
Reminded me of when Dyche was Burnley manager, few home games we slapped them 5 or 6 nil with them crossing the halfway line maybe 3 times in both games. Press conference afterwards. "I thought the referee had a massive impact on the game"
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I like that after all the utd scandal decisions, the headline that comes out of it all is "Akanji was offside" lol.
As someone who is generally down on VAR and can't stand how Stockley Park get involved... thought it was really illuminating last night to hear the process for how they come to their decisions. The best I've felt about VAR since its introduction.
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Jarred Gillett is in the Prem now I think?
He is and his standards seem to be dropping ! Or coming in line with premier league refs
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I was surprised how poor the communication between the pitch ref and VAR refs.
Talking over each other just seemed like blokes in the pub chatting over the noise.
Who would have thought that the Aussies have it better !
The footage was misleading. The conversation between the VAR and the AVAR would not have been audible to the match officials. The referee can only hear the VAR when he is directly addressing him. And the AVAR and the other match officials would shut up during those times so it is a clear one to one conversation between the referee and the VAR.
They played two simultaneous but independent conversations over each other which gave the mistaken impression it was one big free for all.