VAR Discussion Thread | 2024/25

[Blue_Lightsaber]

PGMOL is shit. The female refs that FIFA employs could do a better job!

 

[urban genie]

The goal should have stood, VAR is being controlled by fuckwits and needs scrapping as the people are not fit to use it.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

The goal should have stood, VAR is being controlled by fuckwits and needs scrapping as the people are not fit to use it.

The Villa goal?

It was over the moment the referee blew for a foul, and VAR couldn't intervene.

It's not just VAR who are fuckwits.

 

[urban genie]

The Villa goal?

It was over the moment the referee blew for a foul, and VAR couldn't intervene.

It's not just VAR who are fuckwits.

The ref was an idiot but the what VAR can and cannot do is ambiguous.

VAR did intervene from the clip I have seen but
depending on who is maning it what is clear and obvious has been open to interpreration weekly, they shouldnhave overturned the refs decission

 

[trublue55]

Deliberate in the sense that he's a goal keeper and goal keepers are allowed to "deliberately" hand the ball inside the penalty area. What makes it not a deliberate foul is that he was on the border of the area that he's allowed to deliberately hand it so that is what makes it not deliberate as in not a deliberate foul. The double meaning of the term handball as it relates to the goal keeper is the issue here. It's not that I'm saying he didn't deliberately hand it, it's the fact that he did it on the border of where it is and isn't allowed for him to do it that makes it not a deliberate foul.

You really must be hard of thinking!

As others have pointed out earlier, it was OBVIOUSLY deliberate, either mentally, or in your spurious "non deliberate in a foul way ", for the SIMPLE reason, he swatted it away, knowing full well what he was doing. Had he been in any doubt (or actually believed what he was doing was ok / legit,) he would have simply dived on the ball.

He knew where he was (outside the box), knew what he was doing (DOGSO), knew the risk he was taking (to avoid probably conceding a goal), and got LUCKY, due to (the frequently asked question) INCOMPETENCE or CORRUPTION?

 

[RiversideBlue]

The ref was an idiot but the what VAR can and cannot do is ambiguous.

depending on who is maning it what is clear and obvious has been oen to interpreration weekly.

I agree with the second part but, as soon as the ref blows his whistle, the game is dead. If he hadn't VAR would have given the goal.

 

[RiversideBlue]

Deliberate in the sense that he's a goal keeper and goal keepers are allowed to "deliberately" hand the ball inside the penalty area. What makes it not a deliberate foul is that he was on the border of the area that he's allowed to deliberately hand it so that is what makes it not deliberate as in not a deliberate foul. The double meaning of the term handball as it relates to the goal keeper is the issue here. It's not that I'm saying he didn't deliberately hand it, it's the fact that he did it on the border of where it is and isn't allowed for him to do it that makes it not a deliberate foul

We get it. You've repeated the same opinion on here repeatedly for a week now. Noone agrees with you. Can we move the conversation on now please?

 

[urban genie]

I agree with the second part but, as soon as the ref blows his whistle, the game is dead. If he hadn't VAR would have given the goal.

I know that, but the fact stands VAR has these inconsistencies that make it useless, that is a clear mistake and so should be looked at as he was on on an open goal sk a goal was denied due to the ref, it is no different to the stupid off side rule where a player can play on and score and then get flagged omly then, all of it makes fuck all sense

And there have been games where refs have blew the whistle and whoever is at Stockley park has still intervened and no fucker knows why.

The officials seem to all do VAR their own way depending which moron it on it.

 

[RiversideBlue]

I know that, but the fact stands VAR has these inconsistencies that make it useless, that is a clear mistake and so should be looked at.

And there have been games where refs have blew the whistle and whoever is at Stockley park has still intervened and no fucker knows why.

The officials seem to all do VAR their own way depending which moron it on it.

Maybe it depends whose paid most for the result? They can change the rules when they want to. I remember, before VAR, they weren't allowed to upgrade yellow cards after the event but managed to when Ben Thatcher commited his assault on Pedro Mendes. Don't get me wrong, he deserved that (it was a disgraceful 'tackle') but they still changed the rule when it suited them.

 

[BlueHammer85]

It's gotten much harder to be a referee with VAR than before. Even Collina said as much, he also said referees receive more abuse now than ever before. And it's no wonder with all the increased scrutiny on referee decisions. It's a damning indictment of VAR for the 2nd in command of the system to admit that it hasn't accomplished what it set out to do. Yet it persists.

It’s a damning indictment of our society, permanent anger and rage at officials more so with the rise of social media, VAR in the main is correcting some of the most blatant offsides/onsides and fouls etc, dread to think how these decisions would be taken on a far more regular basis without VAR. Refs have no chance.

 

[halfcenturyup]

You really must be hard of thinking!

As others have pointed out earlier, it was OBVIOUSLY deliberate, either mentally, or in your spurious "non deliberate in a foul way ", for the SIMPLE reason, he swatted it away, knowing full well what he was doing. Had he been in any doubt (or actually believed what he was doing was ok / legit,) he would have simply dived on the ball.

He knew where he was (outside the box), knew what he was doing (DOGSO), knew the risk he was taking (to avoid probably conceding a goal), and got LUCKY, due to (the frequently asked question) INCOMPETENCE or CORRUPTION?

The point is - it doesn't matter if the handball was deliberate or non-deliberate. If the action was outside the box and met the criteria for a handball offence then the only question is what the sanction should have been, which depends on whether it was a DOGSO or not. If it was, it was a red card. The rules for a DOGSO are similarly clearly set out.

This is all set out absolutely clearly in the LOTG.

Whether those rules make sense or not is not the debate we are having.

The debate that started last week (shakes head) was that the keeper shouldn't have been given a red card because the offence was somehow non-deliberate. The LOTG say clearly otherwise.

 

[roach3]

I agree with the second part but, as soon as the ref blows his whistle, the game is dead. If he hadn't VAR would have given the goal.

Surely the answer to all this is let var be involved in every decision the refs make
Who fives a fuck if it shows the refs getting it wrong we see this every week anyway.
Also do they change the rules every week?
At the rags game yesterday the linesman was raising his flag immediately for offsides

 

[trublue55]

The point is - it doesn't matter if the handball was deliberate or non-deliberate. If the action was outside the box and met the criteria for a handball offence then the only question is what the sanction should have been, which depends on whether it was a DOGSO or not. If it was, it was a red card. The rules for a DOGSO are similarly clearly set out.

This is all set out absolutely clearly in the LOTG.

Whether those rules make sense or not is not the debate we are having.

The debate that started last week (shakes head) was that the keeper shouldn't have been given a red card because the offence was somehow non-deliberate. The LOTG say clearly otherwise.

The real joke, is that the idiots at Stockley Park, agreed that it was handball (and indeed deliberate), however was only a "possible" rather than an "obvious" DOGSO, due to the direction of play / where the ball was going.
It was only going in that direction, because the bloody keeper deliberately, ilegaly, swatted it away, in that direction!

 

[give it to gordon]

FYI I answered the "exam questions". My answers were Yes / No. But he did not accept my "No" for was it deliberate. So I explained why.

I would say 99% of handball are not deliberate but the refs still award free kicks, penalties and cards.
I don't understand why you think keepers should be treated differently.
Henderson knew he was outside his box hence why he didn't catch the ball.

Henderson was 100% free kick and a red card you can't come to any other conclusion.

That's my last post with you on this subject.

You remind my of a lad at school a shit footballer but loved to ref, didn't understand the game and was a shit ref. The only ref to ever send me off because I lost my shit with him lol

 

[give it to gordon]

The real joke, is that the idiots at Stockley Park, agreed that it was handball (and indeed deliberate), however was only a "possible" rather than an "obvious" DOGSO, due to the direction of play / where the ball was going.
It was only going in that direction, because the bloody keeper deliberately, ilegaly, swatted it away, in that direction!

Agree yet the villa keeper was sent off when the rag player clearly kicks the ball away from goal, with defenders covering

 

[Paladin]

You're trying to oversimplify it by, yes, conflating the term handball as it has a double meaning in this case. The act of the handing of the ball by the GK and the act of committing a handball foul.

Show me in The Laws of the Game where it says there are two types of handball.

You've created a strawman. I didn't make such arguments.

Ok.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Agree yet the villa keeper was sent off when the rag player clearly kicks the ball away from goal, with defenders covering

I wouldn't be surprised if that was a reaction to last weekend's shenanigans. Pretty sure PGMOL would have had a pretty serious re-review of their own rules last week.

 

[lust overlord]

It’s a damning indictment of our society, permanent anger and rage at officials more so with the rise of social media, VAR in the main is correcting some of the most blatant offsides/onsides and fouls etc, dread to think how these decisions would be taken on a far more regular basis without VAR. Refs have no chance.

A hell of a lot of the frustration and annoyance felt by supporters is because of the bloody inconsistency in the interpretation of the rules.

A var intervention results in a red card/penalty one week yet the following week a very similar situation results in fuck all.

On top of the delays whilst they try and rule out goals scored for 2cm offside calls,phantom handballs or fouls.

When given the chance to actually make the correct call Var officials still get it wrong reasonably frequently, and what makes it worse,is it's often key decisions in big games.

Incompetence or Bias, is a logical reason for the baffling lack of consistency.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

I don’t think so, there’s plenty of times where refs blow up for a foul off a corner for example that could easily subsequently lead to a goal.

I do feel for refs, it really isn’t easy at all and in some ways more so than before VAR.

I agree but they don’t half make it difficult for themselves. Just wait for 2 seconds, Villa score, blow your whistle. I’m almost certain that the VAR wouldn’t have overturned it either, but any controversy dies with him just waiting.

I also think they’re screwed over by the law makers constantly tinkering and they really need VAR to get involved with simulation. Cockerella yesterday wasn’t touched but he went down screaming ‘in pain’. I only chose him because I saw it yesterday but there are countless examples every week.
It’s a hard enough job, I’d imagine, without having almost every single player on the pitch trying to cheat. They also need to get hold of back chatting to referees as they’re told to fuck off and much worse, by players, every week.

 

[southamptonblue]

I agree with the second part but, as soon as the ref blows his whistle, the game is dead. If he hadn't VAR would have given the goal.

Not sure if correct.....but there is a 'clip' from TNT? On Facebook showing that VAR did look at it ?