VAR Discussion Thread | 2024/25

[Blue Mist]

And yet min the match before it, Reijnders header clearly hit a Brighton player, but he gave a goal kick, with no touching of his ear-piece.

That being said, I’m all in favour of the VAR just telling him ‘it’s a corner’ if he’s looked at it once and it is clearly, a corner.

It cannot be right that Var corrects the referee in some instances/games but not others.
It's wide open to manipulation and therefore corruption.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

It cannot be right that Var corrects the referee in some instances/games but not others.
It's wide open to manipulation and therefore corruption.

And that its subjective too!

They've centralised subjective decisions to the VAR room. And from there they can decide the outcome.

It is literally re reffing the game.

 

[TheBeautifulGame]

Maybe the worst part of the Fulham goal being disallowed is that it's only going to discourage players from making that kind of a dribble move again. If all you gotta do as a defender is put your foot out so you get stepped on, then it dissuades players from making spectacular dribble moves like that. The logic that went into that. If lets say if when he stepped on his foot, it caused him to lose his balance and fall and lose the ball. Would that then be a foul on the defender? And this is the kind of power that a VAR in Stockley Park had. One person's decisions literally caused a match to be turned on his head. No person away from the pitch should ever yield that kind of power.

This was a brilliant play to do that spin move and open up the space. But that being disallowed is going to have the affect of making players less willing to do fun moves like that. And the way the ref was so easily led by a string to that monitor, being shown the foot stepping and then to just seemingly go along with the VAR's interpretation of that, that this would be a foul, on the attacker, would drive any fan mad. Fortunately I was a neutral in that match, but imagine if that happened to City, or against City, we'd be fuming. And fuming by the process in which that decision was made, a decision that completely changed the trajectory of the match.

Pro-VARers would like to overlook this situation, but they cannot. Such a situation would only occur under such a system, never before. For this to happen and for a match to be turned on its head like that is unbelievable and things like this cannot be remedied.

 

[Stephen230]

And yet min the match before it, Reijnders header clearly hit a Brighton player, but he gave a goal kick, with no touching of his ear-piece.

That being said, I’m all in favour of the VAR just telling him ‘it’s a corner’ if he’s looked at it once and it is clearly, a corner.

That's exactly what FIFA are proposing at the annual meeting in the new year, for next season.

 

[halfcenturyup]

That's exactly what FIFA are proposing at the annual meeting in the new year, for next season.

:) So, to hell with the principle that VAR is just for, and I quote, "four categories of match-changing decisions/incidents."

Soon to be, four categories of match-changing decisions/incidents and, err, corners. Yet it can't be used for yellow cards that may lead, directly or indirectly, to a second offence red.

It's all so reactive. It's the very definition of mission creep and it's so weak. Just take as long as it takes to get the principles right in the first place before you start, apply them across the match, be able to justify them and take some fucking responsibility for getting it right.

Hopeless.

 

[bluealf]

It is still unbelievable that they have never watched how they apply it in rugby, well, we know they have really, they just don't want to apply it so openly.

 

[KentBlue]

It is still unbelievable that they have never watched how they apply it in rugby, well, we know they have really, they just don't want to apply it so openly.

If they copied the way rugby uses var, Howard Webb would have to relinquish his power to alter the outcome of games. So it's a non-starter.

 

[Stephen230]

:) So, to hell with the principle that VAR is just for, and I quote, "four categories of match-changing decisions/incidents."

Soon to be, four categories of match-changing decisions/incidents and, err, corners. Yet it can't be used for yellow cards that may lead, directly or indirectly, to a second offence red.

It's all so reactive. It's the very definition of mission creep and it's so weak. Just take as long as it takes to get the principles right in the first place before you start, apply them across the match, be able to justify them and take some fucking responsibility for getting it right.

Hopeless.

Actually it is thought that FIFA are also going to propose that VAR can get involved in second yellows. Although the English FA and UEFA have already said that they'll be against any such proposals.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Actually it is thought that FIFA are also going to propose that VAR can get involved in second yellows. Although the English FA and UEFA have already said that they'll be against any such proposals.

Well, I suppose VAR is working so well that no-one could have a problem with its involvement being increased.....

 

[Blue Mist]

Well, I suppose VAR is working so well that no-one could have a problem with its involvement being increased.....

'And whilst Var consider that decision here's a word from our sponsors"
Cue ad break.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

VAR for corners just brings further problems. They never learn.

Players will be claiming them every time, VAR team will have to check each and every one, micro analysis for some of them. It will be yet another obscure thing to check if a goal was legal in the build up. And then the autopsy by the media of each incorrect corner call, the pgmol apology.

And STILL they will make mistakes (that incredulously still lead to the favoured clubs getting the favoured decisions). They will have to come up with more ridiculous reasons they gave the decision they did, and we will ask be a little more unhappy at where our game is going.

It's a corner ffs. Let the ref decide. Keep it simple.

 

[Stephen230]

VAR for corners just brings further problems. They never learn.

Players will be claiming them every time, VAR team will have to check each and every one, micro analysis for some of them. It will be yet another obscure thing to check if a goal was legal in the build up. And then the autopsy by the media of each incorrect corner call, the pgmol apology.

And STILL they will make mistakes (that incredulously still lead to the favoured clubs getting the favoured decisions). They will have to come up with more ridiculous reasons they gave the decision they did, and we will ask be a little more unhappy at where our game is going.

It's a corner ffs. Let the ref decide. Keep it simple.

The proposal for VAR getting involved in corners is likely to be something like... If the VAR can immediately see that the referee has made an obvious mistake over a corner, he can inform him to reverse the decision, as long as it does not delay the game. They're not going to be proposing holding up the game whilst the VAR checks corners.

Also, it won't make goal checks any longer than they currently are. They're not proposing any change to when the VAR can instigate a review of goals and re-starts are outside of that.

 

[No One Understands]

It’s turned the game I once loved and lived for into a complete farce.

In all probability I’ve watched my last league game live because I’ve little to no desire to pay good money to watch a game only to be left frustrated and feeling robbed by what has become a complete circus.

Officials have always been biased imo, this just gives them even more excuse to do what they like.

If bias is the issue, maybe we should have foreign international referees officiating in the prem, or at least on VAR. Have the same crew officiating on VAR for all the matches, so we have consistency.

Five matches going on at the same time? No problem.
Have five refs at the same time, and have them all review each others calls for consistency. Doubt all 5 matches would need a VAR intervention at the same time, and even if it did, so what.

What's another minute tacked on if it saves us the aggro. We can call it the VAR Justice League or summat.

Would like to see how they would fuck that up with so many eyes involved. Maybe even take a real time vote during the review with a minimum 4 to 1 majority rule.

Dunno. I could keep making new rules up. Doubt it would make a difference.

 

[No One Understands]

He should be stood down without pay for a month. That would concentrate his mind.

I think that way sometimes, but then wonder if we'd have any referees left since none of them would get paid anymore. They would probably try to find another line of work that's less abusive, and more reliable.

 

[Blue Mist]

There is a rumour going round that there will be a second Var team to review the decisions made by the first lot.

Ok I just started the rumour but I can see them doing it especially 'as we go to a quick break and a word from our sponsors'

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

The proposal for VAR getting involved in corners is likely to be something like... If the VAR can immediately see that the referee has made an obvious mistake over a corner, he can inform him to reverse the decision, as long as it does not delay the game. They're not going to be proposing holding up the game whilst the VAR checks corners.

Also, it won't make goal checks any longer than they currently are. They're not proposing any change to when the VAR can instigate a review of goals and re-starts are outside of that.

They proposed a lot of stuff. Re reffing the game was one of them. VAR is intrusive more than they said

But let's take that idea that all will be smooth and calm whilst they easily just give the correct decision.... That is going to take players not complaining, claiming, nor protesting. The fans to blindly believe the decision is correct. And that the VAR team will have to get it right 100 %.

None of those things happen now.

So I do think we will see autopsies on corners given where they've made a mistake. It will open yet another can of worms.

Compare that with now. Mistake happens and nothing is said, no autopsy, no accusing of cheating, we just get on with the game.

 

[Gordyola]

boils down to the fact that getting rid of VAR would reflect so poorly on those behind it

Its also a great scheme to extend the working life of officials also those still on field get a bonus of a VAR gig at the weekend PiGMOL will never get rid of it, its a nice little earner

 

[halfcenturyup]

They proposed a lot of stuff. Re reffing the game was one of them. VAR is intrusive more than they said

But let's take that idea that all will be smooth and calm whilst they easily just give the correct decision.... That is going to take players not complaining, claiming, nor protesting. The fans to blindly believe the decision is correct. And that the VAR team will have to get it right 100 %.

None of those things happen now.

So I do think we will see autopsies on corners given where they've made a mistake. It will open yet another can of worms.

Compare that with now. Mistake happens and nothing is said, no autopsy, no accusing of cheating, we just get on with the game.

My prediction is that there will be just as much debate over why these decisions are or are not "clear and obvious" as there are now about the referee's decision.

Making the whole thing pointless.

 

[Gordyola]

VAR for corners just brings further problems. They never learn.

Players will be claiming them every time, VAR team will have to check each and every one, micro analysis for some of them. It will be yet another obscure thing to check if a goal was legal in the build up. And then the autopsy by the media of each incorrect corner call, the pgmol apology.

And STILL they will make mistakes (that incredulously still lead to the favoured clubs getting the favoured decisions). They will have to come up with more ridiculous reasons they gave the decision they did, and we will ask be a little more unhappy at where our game is going.

It's a corner ffs. Let the ref decide. Keep it simple.

As I understand it the corner or, not a corner check will only be completed if a goal results as they dont want delay the corner being taken

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

As I understand it the corner or, not a corner check will only be completed if a goal results as they dont want delay the corner being taken

That doesn't make sense though. If a corner is given and should not have been, goal is scored, then that whole passage of play will have been for nothing. And what if a corner should have been given? I guess they are not checking that though.

It works as it is imo. I don't see a massive problem that needs solving.