VAR Discussion Thread | 2024/25

The cynic in me think that the VAR review in the rags game was used to allow them to say refs don’t always change their minds after being referred to the screen. It was not a pen, ref did not give it and the view they appeared to show him was the one that made it dead certain it was not a pen. The people in charge of VAR are not fit for purpose
 
Var didn’t make the decision good or bad, my sole point was before VAR the ref would likely have pointed to the spot for that Garnaucho dive.

People can tag me in all they like for every ‘bad’ VAR decision - I’ve always claimed they’ll makes mistakes and get it wrong sometimes, it’s really no shock.

No officiating system will please, you prefer refs to have zero help, make blind guesses and potentially well offside goals being allowed to stand, back to diving with zero contact being awarded with a penalty and the other farcical decisions that happened way more regularly pre VAR.

I just prefer Refs having some tech help and for them to get a second look on an incident.

I have no problem with you and others wanting to scrap it. I’d rather keep it. Don’t see why you get in such a paddy, it’s a forum about Var, you just want everyone to be outraged constantly and demand and sulk for it to be scrapped, it’s not going to happen which is why the constant outrage from all fans especially on social media is tedious. This thread really is just to let off some anger issues.
“it’s not going to happen which is why the constant outrage from all fans especially on social media is tedious”

Thought all fans wanted VAR?
Make your non-match going mind up will you.
 
Nah,it’s taken away the spontaneity of the game for fans. Can’t celebrate properly anymore. Once that’s gone it’s a far inferior sport for us. Even the most competent VAR referee will never change that now. It’s gone forever. It’s an abomination.
This is it in a nutshell.
 
“it’s not going to happen which is why the constant outrage from all fans especially on social media is tedious”

Thought all fans wanted VAR?
Make your non-match going mind up will you.

when did i ever say all fans wanted VAR ?

and why you keep going on about non match ? i took my boy to Ebbsfleet today. last season and this year is first time ive not had a hammers season ticket in 35 years but i'll go to the odd match - reason chucking in my season ticket has absolutely nothing to do with VAR.
 
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my sole point was before VAR the ref would likely have pointed to the spot for that Garnaucho dive.
Utter nonsense
Taylor had a clear view VAR didn’t get involved

He is one of the few refs who has the courage of his convictions VAR hasn’t changed him he doesn’t rely on it like some do
 
Utter nonsense
Taylor had a clear view VAR didn’t get involved

He is one of the few refs who has the courage of his convictions VAR hasn’t changed him he doesn’t rely on it like some do

Ok, but prior VAR we saw them sort of decisions given as penalties on a regular basis, Ronaldo, Salah, Kane all falling down without contact in front of a player and being awarded a penalty - and i'm not blaming the refs. very very rarely does it happen nowadays.
 
Ok, but prior VAR we saw them sort of penalties given on a regular basis - and i'm not blaming the refs.
Post VAR we have seen penalties regularly that are players diving, justified with there was contact. The one against City on Wednesday not given by the ref until the idiots on VAR step in
 
when did i ever say all fans wanted VAR ?

and why you keep going on about non match ? i took my boy to Ebbsfleet today. last season and this year is first time ive not had a hammers season ticket in 35 years but i'll go to the odd match - reason chucking in my season ticket has absolutely nothing to do with VAR.
Fair enough on not having ST.
 
The biggest farce with VAR is that it creates exactly the scandalous decisions we were trying to get rid of. Pointless. We have NOT moved forward.

We could do with some tech to help the VAR team and stop the mistakes

Bottom line is that the rules are too subjective to stop what one side or the other thinks are mistakes. It will never change unless VAR is ditched and we can all just blame the referees again, or the rules are changed so any fool can see if something is an offence or not.

And let's not forget referees were firmly against VAR but some cunts thought they knew better, including a lot of fans. This **** included, actually. But what a fucking mess it is.
 
Its about independance of the stats you are providing. IFAB are bound to say it is brilliant.

These stats are more independant and reflect the views of those who consume the sport :

...In general people dont want it to be used for farty little things, they mainly want to not see it except for big big mistakes such sending off the wrong person, goal line tech, offside tech, goals that were clearly goals.... The stuff that works. We never ever wanted them to take over the sport with never ending VAR intrusion for everything, causing confusion and delays and micro-precise decisions that just do not matter.

I do think the PL one day will just reject what IFAB want and ditch VAR in its current form.
I agree with that.
 
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You’ve been asked for peer-reviewed, independent reports…..answer cane there none.
You’ve been asked about how IFAB came up with their 98% claim. Answer came there none. I’ve asked you for evidence that City matches have fewer mistakes - yep. Nada, nichts, rien, nothing.

Clueless, evidence-less drivel. You’re like the kid that keeps handing in the same piece of shit homework, gets told “must do better”, colours in the border with a different pen and hands it back in hoping teacher might eventually pat you on the back.

Do yourself a favour, stick to listening to the micd up ref at Brisbane Broncos.
No I haven’t you liar.

The words ‘peer-reviewed’ have not been mentioned once in this entire thread until this very post of yours here.

So why are you making it up that I’ve been asked for them?

You just pluck things out of thin air and run with it pretending you’ve been asking me for it throughout.
 
This is too easy. Show me the following:

Independent, peer-reviewed, longitudinal studies that fans wanted VAR.

Independent, Peer-reviewed, longitudinal studies that fans are now in favour of VAR.

Independent Peer-reviewed, longitudinal studies that VAR referred matches have fewer mistakes than previous, non-VAR matches.
You think there are peer-fucking-reviewed studies done on a whether fans want VAR or not in Association Football? Peer-reviewed? By who? You think Professors contributing to things like the Journal of Medical Sciences will be wasting their time on the vox-pop opinions of thick spectators of some entertainment business?

And why you’re going on about whether fans want VAR or not, I have no idea. My point is that video technology in football is not the issue, it’s the standard officiating that’s the problem. My minor point is that VAR has helped in getting more decisions right since it came in but will still be massively flawed because of the appalling standard of the officials. Any passing comment I’ve had on the opinions of fans are not important to those points.

Not some SKY “can’t tell you how they got the data” bollocks.

Not some IFAB / FIFA can’t explain how we got our data, doesn’t compare against non VAR matches cobbled on back of fag packet bollocks.

Proper stuff. Adult stuff.
And you’re making yourself look a bit stupid now hanging on this point.

I’ve already explained to you that line you thought was important from that article (which wasn’t said by SKY or IFAB / FIFA, it was said by the PL… yet again showing your appalling comprehension skills so how you’d manage with ‘peer-reviewed’ studies, I have no idea) was nothing to do with the main point of the article and was nothing to do with the point I was making.
 
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You think there are peer-fucking-reviewed studies done on a whether fans want VAR or not in Association Football? Peer-reviewed? By who? You think Professors contributing to things like the Journal of Medical Sciences will be wasting their time on the vox-pop opinions of thick spectators of some entertainment business?

And why you’re going on about whether fans want VAR or not, I have no idea. My point is that video technology in football is not the issue, it’s the standard officiating that’s the problem. My minor point is that VAR has helped in getting more decisions right since it came in but will still be massively flawed because of the appalling standard of the officials. Any passing comment I’ve had on the opinions of fans are not important to those points.


And you’re making yourself look a bit stupid now hanging on this point.

I’ve already explained to you that line you thought was important from that article (which wasn’t said by SKY or IFAB / FIFA, it was said by the PL… yet again showing your appalling comprehension skills so how you’d manage with ‘peer-reviewed’ studies, I have no idea) was nothing to do with the main point of the article and was nothing to do with the point I was making.

I think this was your first post in the chain?:

"Before VAR came in, 82% of decisions made by officials were correct.
Since VAR has been introduced, 96% of decisions made have been correct.
It was always needed but we need to entice and train a better talent pool of officials because the current crop and depth of talent aren’t/isn’t good enough.
The technology itself is fine."

Leaving aside the paradox in saying the results are much better but the people operating it aren't good enough, I, for one, haven't seen anything that supports that improvement in correctness other than by quoting the organisations that are responsible for operating the thing in the first place.

Before I believe that stuff, I would like to see the methodology explained (what does correct decision even mean: what is a correct decision? who determines correctness? on what basis? which incidents were determined to be correct? which weren't?) and the detailed analysis published so they can be analysed by third parties and the results assessed critically.

It just isn't good enough to say, "the PL says ....", "PGMOL says ....", "IFAB says ....", or "independent panel" when in reality it's five washed up ex-players and referees on a PL financed gravy train. They aren't KCs with any professional integrity to call upon.

So, no, I won't believe those statistics until people who are smarter than me have reviewed and assessed them independently.

As for the quality of VAR officials, I think it's a hopeless situation for them. They have my sympathy. The corrupt bastards. They are expected to apply rules that are largely subjective to the letter and consistently, without the excuse referees used to have that they are only human and have to make decisions instantly. It just isn't possible. And each time they get a decision wrong, they have fucked a game up.

You couldn't pay me to do it.
 
Bottom line is that the rules are too subjective to stop what one side or the other thinks are mistakes. It will never change unless VAR is ditched and we can all just blame the referees again, or the rules are changed so any fool can see if something is an offence or not.

And let's not forget referees were firmly against VAR but some cunts thought they knew better, including a lot of fans. This **** included, actually. But what a fucking mess it is.
I would say that the laws try to be too prescriptive instead of explaining the overall purpose of each law, and then simply pointing to the sort of things a referee should have in mind when considering whether that purpose has been infringed.

As an example the handball law is all about teams not getting an advantage from hand/ball contact. So the consideration for the referee would be was there an advantage. A shot on target deflecting wide after hitting a defender’s arm is clearly an advantage: a ball going wide for a goal kick that is deflected for a corner isn’t giving an advantage. So if there is an advantage whether it avoidable or not is a free kick or penalty. The second consideration is then whether it is intentional / avoidable or not to decide whether a card is warranted.

A similar idea would apply to offsides.
 
I would say that the laws try to be too prescriptive instead of explaining the overall purpose of each law, and then simply pointing to the sort of things a referee should have in mind when considering whether that purpose has been infringed.

As an example the handball law is all about teams not getting an advantage from hand/ball contact. So the consideration for the referee would be was there an advantage. A shot on target deflecting wide after hitting a defender’s arm is clearly an advantage: a ball going wide for a goal kick that is deflected for a corner isn’t giving an advantage. So if there is an advantage whether it avoidable or not is a free kick or penalty. The second consideration is then whether it is intentional / avoidable or not to decide whether a card is warranted.

A similar idea would apply to offsides.

Can't disagree with much of that, maybe with the word deliberate for handball, but whatever they do it should be easily understood and as apparent as possible for people watching in the ground.

Enough of turning football into a game that can only be followed by people sat at home watching endless slow-motion replays.
 
I would say that the laws try to be too prescriptive instead of explaining the overall purpose of each law, and then simply pointing to the sort of things a referee should have in mind when considering whether that purpose has been infringed.

As an example the handball law is all about teams not getting an advantage from hand/ball contact. So the consideration for the referee would be was there an advantage. A shot on target deflecting wide after hitting a defender’s arm is clearly an advantage: a ball going wide for a goal kick that is deflected for a corner isn’t giving an advantage. So if there is an advantage whether it avoidable or not is a free kick or penalty. The second consideration is then whether it is intentional / avoidable or not to decide whether a card is warranted.

A similar idea would apply to offsides.
It's like throws-in, if a player takes a throw-in too far forward then pull him back or call a foul throw, but if he's too far up the pitch and throws it down-field - no advantage so no problem.
 

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