VAR Discussion Thread | 2024/25

MCFC1993 said:


The reason why Slot's argument is nonsense according the laws, if the player takes an evasive action in the ball's flight path he's offside as he's impacting the goalkeepers decision making, whether he'd get there or not.

Some might like that, some might not.

In a way I'm glad that's how it's ruled as I want the league to get away from this stupid set piece culture.
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In the Forest United match a similar evasive action was taken but offsides wasn't given there. If it's interference in one it could certainly be argued to be in the other, but I don't think most fans understand the way in which these decisions are actually made. They're in this quagmire of not being able to make a decision about offsides that involve interference situations during VAR reviews because of how subjective they are. So they are essentially (it would seem) defaulting to whatever the on-field decision was, which in this case wasn't made until the celebration had already been going on for the goal. This more than anything else has created the controversy here. Meaning the fact that the on-field decision didn't come as it would when it would created confusion and controversy in a way that wouldn't have been otherwise. Because, of course, the flag didn't go up then and there as it would before you would start celebrating after a goal.

When you say according to the laws, I'm not sure what that means anymore because many laws on the books aren't being enforced anymore and have been replaced with VAR-related concepts for how to make decisions. As a fan I don't have any problem with that being a goal or disallowed, it's frankly one of those 50/50 type subjective situations that could be said to be interference or not. But to have it appear to be a goal due to the usual referee and lino on field inaction only for the flag to come up during a goal celebration, this is embarrassing and a sign of how dysfunctional and disruptive VAR is. The problem I have with VAR and situations like this is that it takes away from the match. Had that goal stood it may have turned into a barnburner instead it turned into a one-sided match and now 'pool fans feel undone by the decision. The decision itself was a tight one and a subjective one but no one should ever have their goal celebration interrupted like that.
 
Happy to see Bernardo kick the ball out of play so the ref and VAR could give their full attention to analysing the penalty appeal for Doku.

It's something I've wanted players to be proactive in stopping the game ever since the handball by Trent at Anfield.

6 years ago today, a huge appeal by Sergio & Kevin and then 15 seconds later they are never going to give it...

 
BlueHammer85 said:
I called it a pen, everyone around me in pub said it was 'joke' decision and went down to easy.
social media moaning about it, so caused some controversy.

Pen for me and without VAR it wouldn't have been awarded and Van Dijk goal would have stood. but its all corrupt apparently and must be scrapped.
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Van Dijk goal would not have stood without VAR. Assistant ref had his flag up immediately
 
BlueHammer85 said:
you sure immediately ? read it took 15 seconds. clearly some communication from VAR to lino on that.
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More likely communication between ref and lino, something like …
Lino: Robertson is in an offside position but not sure if in the keeper’s eye line or not?
Ref: from my angle it looks like he was
Lino: want me to flag?
Ref: yes please
 
Andy TheCatalyst Morrison said:
More likely communication between ref and lino, something like …
Lino: Robertson is in an offside position but not sure if in the keeper’s eye line or not?
Ref: from my angle it looks like he was
Lino: want me to flag?
Ref: yes please
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that'll do, quick VAR to make sure. Liverpool sulk and cry about corruption and everyone else cheers. happy days.
 
Andy TheCatalyst Morrison said:
More likely communication between ref and lino, something like …
Lino: Robertson is in an offside position but not sure if in the keeper’s eye line or not?
Ref: from my angle it looks like he was
Lino: want me to flag?
Ref: yes please
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It shouldn't matter if he's in the eyeline though. Robertson ducked because if he hadn't the ball would have hit him. He's about 2-3 feet from the keeper. He took an action that allowed the ball to go into the net whilst in an offside position. It shouldn't even be up for debate. And going off Robertson's lack of celebration after the ball went into the net he knew what he'd done.
 
With the technology we have, we could use the cone of vision and a proximity measure to determine whether a player in an offside “position” is actually offside.

Simply pre-determine the field of vision for the cone, maybe 90°, and give him about 6 feet around him, maybe more, and if any part of the attacking player is in that area (6ft circle and 90°cone) while in an offside position, then he’s ruled offside. Simple and objective, apart from judging the 90° cone, which could be based on perpendicular to ears, shoulders or toes.

NAH, I’m just kidding!! Just because we have the technology, doesn’t mean we should stop the game to over analyze every situation. At some point, esp the ever-changing offside rule, has to come down to the subjective, but objective as possible, decision of the match official.

For me, ducking away from the ball, while inside the 6 yard box, with the ball going in over your body? Offside every time!
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Why, I think both decisions were totally correct and glad VAR was in place to ensure they were correct, Liverpool fans moaning and crying corruption just like all fans when it’s not the verdict they want.
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Because you said “it took XX seconds. Clearly some communication (from VAR to lino) on that,” which is EXACTLY what Slot said in the post match interview!

:-)
 
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