VAR Discussion Thread

Maybe someone could produce a t-shirt with a picture of Howard Webb on one side and the message Clear and Obvious on the other. We could all wear it instead of our normal match day shirts.
 
waspish said:
Funny it wasnt glancing the only thing it was wasn’t a player running in doing that but when has that stopped var not giving a red? They’ve been going of still frames all season that still frame is 100% a red! Always the way when it’s us they come up with any bollocks to not give a pen or not a red or it’s offside
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I was half accepting the yellow as maybe reasonable until I heard the 'it was only a glancing blow'.
A yellow/red is arguable depending on whether Dalot touched the ball first or not, but to say it was a glancing blow defies belief - This level of self-incrimination by the PL has only recently been equalled in the Prince Andrew interview.
 
give it to gordon said:
Saw the highlights of the villa Everton game. Why was Everton first goal ruled out ? The scorer was well on side
Also there was a clear two handed push over which was a clear penalty nit given.

VAR and the refs have lost control of the game now. It's scandalous
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They haven't lost control of the game, on the contrary they are directly controlling and influencing the outcome of games.

Manipulation in force , hidden (not too subtly) but the lenient use of cards, fouls not given etc and reinforced by courtesy of the VAR operatives.

PL and PiGMOL are perfectly aligned.
 
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I think it's way too late now, it's gone past debate. What we are experiencing is a form of corruption never before witnessed in English football - but we cannot act on it. We are impotent and Webb and pgmol are only too aware of it, so the charade continues. Next week, or the week after there will be many more catastrophic decisions affecting the top and the bottom of the Premier league. We know this. We are anticipating it. We know, of all the teams in the Prem that WILL benefit one way or another are the rags. Full stop. Powerful people behind the scenes have a vested interest in making sure the rags prosper in the Premier league. Why, I have no idea, but it's almost certainly money behind it.

Football fans will be back on their own clubs' forums demanding answers regarding yet more controversial refereeing decisions affecting their clubs next weekend. As will we. But nothing will happen. Nobody will say anything. The media will be compliant and any and all refereeing decisions that just stink of absolute corruption will swept under the carpet by a smirking Howard Webb, "Nothing to see here. Move along, move along."
 
What that ugly bastard dalot did to Jeremy Doku was not on total red card? That rag **** absolutely don't go after the ball, but Jeremy's leg... 2 or 3 inches stamp to the left and he end his career with broke leg in the knee... VAR that's allright, ha? And that fat bastard rag Shaw when he hunting Rodris ACL recovering leg, was it ok?
 
For me corruption is too strong a word - What I do think is that there is an unconscious institutionalised bias. In a way that they always look for the bad in every situation for certain teams and the for the good in others, whether it be a story, a player or indeed a VAR/referee decision.
I suppose if you're reading negative stories about a club 24/7/365 a negative bias would enter your mind and affect your judgement over time.
 
Gazza said:
For me corruption is too strong a word - What I do think is that there is an unconscious institutionalised bias. In a way that they always look for the bad in every situation for certain teams and the for the good in others, whether it be a story, a player or indeed a VAR/referee decision.
I suppose if you're reading negative stories about a club 24/7/365 a negative bias would enter your mind and affect your judgement over time.
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Stuart Attwell must read a lot of the media then, if you ask me
 
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Gazza said:
For me corruption is too strong a word - What I do think is that there is an unconscious institutionalised bias. In a way that they always look for the bad in every situation for certain teams and the for the good in others, whether it be a story, a player or indeed a VAR/referee decision.
I suppose if you're reading negative stories about a club 24/7/365 a negative bias would enter your mind and affect your judgement over time.
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This could well be the case, but if so what is being done about it? Apparently not a lot. In this modern age Webb will have all the relevant information about each referee and he will know full well which ones appear to have this unconscious bias. A glance at the data on the computer will tell him exactly which referee always seems to favour the rags or whoever. He could then act accordingly and ensure there is no chance of bias. But we see day in and day out the same old referees given high profile rag games and there being more than a hint of corruption about said referees decision making.
 
Like most of us I am football mad. I love the game inside out. Playing it (well, years and years ago!), watching it, reading about it, talking about it etc. And it is for this reason that I don't want to think there is corruption within the game, I hate the very thought of it. But I am genuinely at a loss to even try and explain some of the baffling decisions I've seen over the last 30-40 years.

Our FA Cup defeat when Henderson (Palace's keeper) should have seen red but didn't was the final nail in the coffin for me.

This isn't the game I've loved all my life.
 
Colin Bells Boots said:
They haven't lost control of the game, on the contrary they are directly controlling and influencing the outcome of games.

Manipulation in force , hidden (not too subtly) but the lenient use of cards, fouls not given etc and reinforced by courtesy of the VAR operatives.

PL and PiGMOL are perfectly aligned.
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Absolutely
 
KentBlue said:
This could well be the case, but if so what is being done about it? Apparently not a lot. In this modern age Webb will have all the relevant information about each referee and he will know full well which ones appear to have this unconscious bias. A glance at the data on the computer will tell him exactly which referee always seems to favour the rags or whoever. He could then act accordingly and ensure there is no chance of bias. But we see day in and day out the same old referees given high profile rag games and there being more than a hint of corruption about said referees decision making.
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It's because they don't think that they're doing anything wrong.
 
give it to gordon said:
Saw the highlights of the villa Everton game. Why was Everton first goal ruled out ? The scorer was well on side
Also there was a clear two handed push over which was a clear penalty nit given.

VAR and the refs have lost control of the game now. It's scandalous
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Not lost control of the game, they’ve got what they wanted, being able to manipulate results to suit their agenda
 
Gazza said:
For me corruption is too strong a word - What I do think is that there is an unconscious institutionalised bias. In a way that they always look for the bad in every situation for certain teams and the for the good in others, whether it be a story, a player or indeed a VAR/referee decision.
I suppose if you're reading negative stories about a club 24/7/365 a negative bias would enter your mind and affect your judgement over time.
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If they do it subconsciously they still show they have a preference to a team, like Taylor coming from rag family is always going to rule against us without thinking.
If it’s always the same teams benefiting then that has to be corruption.
Taylor should never be allowed to referee a rag or City game because of the proximity of his family and who they support.
There’s no way on earth does somebody growing up in Greater Manchester or bordering areas, who follows football or makes a career from it not have a preference for red or blue, it’s that simple.
For me something that happens so often is no longer subconscious, it’s corruption one way or another.
I am at the stage of wanting to stop watching because it affects me that much, I can’t watch something so unjust and just laugh it off.
Wherever there is money involved there is corruption.
 
Gazza said:
It's because they don't think that they're doing anything wrong.
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You can't seriously believe that.

It is co-ordinated between the refs and VAR - where is the honest and subjective opinion enforced ?

Certainly not from compliant VAR officials, who simply agree with the referee.
 
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Gazza said:
It's because they don't think that they're doing anything wrong.
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They know they are doing something wrong, you’ve only got to listen to the plethora of variable excuses they use to suit whoever they need it to suit.
City v Newcastle offside for interfering.
Arsenal v Chelsea not offside (same offence)
Dalot-yellow card for glancing blow, despite virtually the whole of football saying it’s a red.
 
HypnoticBlue said:
The absolute minimum that should’ve happened on Saturday is that Taylor should have been sent to look at the pitch side screen to view all angles and make an informed decision. For that not to happen is a disgrace, that sort of challenge will end a career.
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Taylor knew exactly what he was doing, but the VAR operative was as guilty as the referee and both were fully aware of their actions.

PiGMOL sticking two fingers up to football supporters.
 
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