VAR Discussion Thread

hello said:
Football fans can't accept VAR fuckups because their shouldnt be a such a thing. The spinless cunts on the field need to be making decisions and not relying on thier mates looking for shit reasons to back them up on VAR. No way should it be the same bunch of dickheads on the pitch and in VAR
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I think football fans can accept fuck ups without VAR, nobody is expecting referees to be perfect on pitch. They can't spot everything.

Some of these millimetre offsides I wouldn't expect a linesman to get right every time. There are even some offsides with a greater gap where the defender is running out and a striker is running in where they will miss them.

Sometimes it's hard to see if it's a dive or a foul until you see a replay, so I don't think anyone judges the ref on the pitch too harshly in such a circumstance.

The fact the fuck ups are still happening with VAR is an issue.

It's trading off the soul of the game for fuck ups to be still happening which is unacceptable. That's why I'd fuck it off.
 
MCFC1993 said:
I think football fans can accept fuck ups without VAR, nobody is expecting referees to be perfect on pitch. They can't spot everything.

Some of these millimetre offsides I wouldn't expect a linesman to get right every time. There are even some offsides with a greater gap where the defender is running out and a striker is running in where they will miss them.

Sometimes it's hard to see if it's a dive or a foul until you see a replay, so I don't think anyone judges the ref on the pitch too harshly in such a circumstance.

The fact the fuck ups are still happening with VAR is an issue.

It's trading off the soul of the game for fuck ups to be still happening which is unacceptable. That's why I'd fuck it off.
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Variable And Random
Soul of the game versus the arsehole of the game.
 
So today, Olivar waves away a stone-wall penalty and VAR cleared it within seconds. We've all seen it, and I don't think there's many in the game who don't think that was a penalty.

I was listening to the OS comm's with Ali Mann and Steve Howie, and Ali hit the nail on the head, essentially saying "there's no way the VAR is going to overturn such a senior referee under the circumstances...". Basically, implying that there is a cultural issue with VAR in that judgement and integrity of 'senior' referee's can't be questioned by more junior officials.

How is that improving the game?
 
I think it should be like what they do in the NBA. The refs review video captures and make their own decision.

In football it could either be initiated by the ref or similar to NBA each team could have a quota to use each game.

Yes it would slow down the game but hopefully in a more sensible way.

VAR as it is awful.
 
TonyM said:
I think it should be like what they do in the NBA. The refs review video captures and make their own decision.

In football it could either be initiated by the ref or similar to NBA each team could have a quota to use each game.

Yes it would slow down the game but hopefully in a more sensible way.

VAR as it is awful.
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Been saying this for a good while. VAR was sold on helping refs make better decisions. You don’t need a Var room to re ref games
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
So today, Olivar waves away a stone-wall penalty and VAR cleared it within seconds. We've all seen it, and I don't think there's many in the game who don't think that was a penalty.

I was listening to the OS comm's with Ali Mann and Steve Howie, and Ali hit the nail on the head, essentially saying "there's no way the VAR is going to overturn such a senior referee under the circumstances...". Basically, implying that there is a cultural issue with VAR in that judgement and integrity of 'senior' referee's can't be questioned by more junior officials.

How is that improving the game?
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Regarding your initial point, a disproportionate volume of our VAR decisions seem to be dismissed in micro-seconds.
 
Var as a thing should stay but it needs an overhaul in how it works and what it is used for.

Needs to be a much lighter touch and stay away from the more subjective parts of the game.
 
I know it's a bit of a tangent but there was a quite ridiculous penalty decision at the end of the Fenerbache/Besiktas game today and I don't genuinely know if they have VAR are not but imagine the Turkish league would
 
pudge said:
I know it's a bit of a tangent but there was a quite ridiculous penalty decision at the end of the Fenerbache/Besiktas game today and I don't genuinely know if they have VAR are not but imagine the Turkish league would
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Yeh I think the Turkish league would know if they’ve got it or not.
Someone will have told them I'm sure


Sorry :-)
 
Overhaul doesn't quite cover it. The VAR rules and processes as they exist today are so terrible, you would be forgiven for thinking it was set up by somebody looking to deliberately sabotage the support for tech in football.

They're so bad that I reckon most regular fans could vastly improve on them by coming up with the rules from scratch with their mates in the pub over the course of a single evening.

The clear and obvious criteria is a rod they made for their own back. The mess of offsides is a rod they've made for their own back. The checking of every goal, delaying celebrations, is a rod they made for their own back. The phenomena of referees deciding not to make a decision and leave it to VAR, is a rod they made for their own back.

The pantomime of sending a referee over to a monitor and have the bar be such that they agree with VAR literally 99.9% of the time is an idea that absolutely no sane regular person would come up with. It is fucking nonsense.

1. Remove VAR completely for subjective fouls, penalties and handball decisions - or implement a challenge system that forces the referee to the monitor to take account of obvious dives etc.
2. Remove offsides from VAR until such a point that the tech is good enough it can call offsides instantaneously (like electronic line judges in tennis).
3. Have VAR do something fucking useful like monitoring this new fangled invention called a fucking watch - you know - timekeeping?
4. Force the referee comms to be live so they explain every decision and how they're coming to it, like rugby.
 
I disagree with getting rid of VAR as a whole but it needs a overhaul and need it should be manned by people who aren't already refs and all pally with the the refs on the field.
An independent panel.
The prem makes billions and it's run by a boys club rather than professionally.
 
Stato said:
I disagree with getting rid of VAR as a whole but it needs a overhaul and need it should be manned by people who aren't already refs and all pally with the the refs on the field.
An independent panel.
The prem makes billions and it's run by a boys club rather than professionally.
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I agree that people in the VAR room shouldn't be PGMOL referees and offside should be changed to attacking player's toes
So if he/she is facing away from goal, in theory nearly their whole body could be in an offside position
I also think that if the ref is unsure, they should be able to go to the monitor to review an incident independently
 
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