VAR Discussion Thread

Look at all this bollocks... mistakes, autopsies, excuses, micro-analysis. We still don't have a system that removes the mistakes.

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I liked it when we just had the mistakes and none of the bullshit that goes with it. And, in ten years time it will STILL be the same. Because you cannot define every incident in a pitch.
 
If it's true that VAR will adopt Mr Wenger's recommendations that a player is only offside when in a significant advantageous position, and not by an atom, then it might have a chance.

But i'm still in favour of scrapping it and just keeping the gola line technology.
 
Metal Biker said:
If it's true that VAR will adopt Mr Wenger's recommendations that a player is only offside when in a significant advantageous position, and not by an atom, then it might have a chance.

But i'm still in favour of scrapping it and just keeping the gola line technology.
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What's that going to change (same as 'clear daylight')........instead of drawing stupid lines for 10mins, when it's clear within a nano second to anyone who isn't blind if it's off or onside......it will take them longer to decide....wtf is a 'significant advantageous position' ....every ref, pundit, player, manager and fan will have a different opinion!
 
southamptonblue said:
What's that going to change (same as 'clear daylight')........instead of drawing stupid lines for 10mins, when it's clear within a nano second to anyone who isn't blind if it's off or onside......it will take them longer to decide....wtf is a 'significant advantageous position' ....every ref, pundit, player, manager and fan will have a different opinion!
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Read Wenger's proposal, you'll soon understand.
 
Metal Biker said:
Read Wenger's proposal, you'll soon understand.
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Unless I am missing something it's just moving the mm offside measurement to the back instead of the front. So we will still have mm offside decisions, we will still have debates about tolerance and about the accuracy of the technology. We also make it more difficult for defenders to practice their art.

It's just another rule change being brought in because of the inability of VAR to deal with off-side and not because it will improve the game.

Ridiculous knee-jerk rule-making which ignores the obvious problem - off-side isn't a black and white decision that technology can solve efficiently. It's a human judgement that has been made reasonably accurately for more than a hundred years without technology other than a flag.

They don't want to re-referee the game but they are perfectly happy to needlessly change rules in a desperate attempt to improve VAR. And they won't. Because it's impossible.

Or maybe I am wrong, of course. It has been known :)
 
Metal Biker said:
If it's true that VAR will adopt Mr Wenger's recommendations that a player is only offside when in a significant advantageous position, and not by an atom, then it might have a chance.

But i'm still in favour of scrapping it and just keeping the gola line technology.
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no chance it'll just be same reversed
 
Mr Blue Moon said:
Just a thought. What would be the implications of scrapping the offside rule altogether?
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I am sure some buffoon at FIFA is looking at this right now: VAR has problems determining offside, let's just change the rules and have no offside. The reality is that the people who made the rules a century ago knew what they were doing and why. The people running the game now could take some lessons from them.

God, I hate what FIFA, UEFA and the PL have turned the game into, and I hate how they have made me feel about it.

This is my third post this year and in each of them I sound like Victor fucking Meldrew.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Unless I am missing something it's just moving the mm offside measurement to the back instead of the front. So we will still have mm offside decisions, we will still have debates about tolerance and about the accuracy of the technology. We also make it more difficult for defenders to practice their art.

It's just another rule change being brought in because of the inability of VAR to deal with off-side and not because it will improve the game.

Ridiculous knee-jerk rule-making which ignores the obvious problem - off-side isn't a black and white decision that technology can solve efficiently. It's a human judgement that has been made reasonably accurately for more than a hundred years without technology other than a flag.

They don't want to re-referee the game but they are perfectly happy to needlessly change rules in a desperate attempt to improve VAR. And they won't. Because it's impossible.

Or maybe I am wrong, of course. It has been known :)
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Tinker Tinker Tinker . VAR is beginning to feel like that dud piece of technology ( car / heat pump / washing machine ) that you keeps letting you down . The mechanics keep telling you "we just need to do this one more thing" or "change the programme" or add "this modification" but you're left stranded and cold and wearing dirty clothes shouting your head off .

One of the main reasons I like football is I understand the rules and can depend on them in a world where mostly rules are contingent and applied unevenly . I don't want to live full time in a dictatorship but for ninety minutes I submit as it's a salve to the chaos of real life .

These days going to a match I have a confused or outdated idea of the rules and am dependant on someone a couple of hundred miles away influencing the way I react to a game . Goal !!! Hold your breath until VAR clears it . Handball !!! Was I the only one to see that ? Offside !!! Apparently not as the player wasn't interfering with play. We know less about what's going on than Viewers at Home despite having paid more and sacrificed a large part of the day to be there .

Add to this the free for all afterwards with managers and players no longer Tight Lipped and Godlike after the match but shooting their mouths off at press conferences and on the socials . Didn't we roundly beat Forest away who put ten men behind the ball for the greater part of the game and excelled in the art of dirty tricks all match. Apparently not. We were lucky against them / Liverpool / Newcastle ......It's beginning to feel more like a soap opera every game . Chaos is the sole victor .

What I see at the game is no longer the truth , albeit a biased one , but my truth , seen with my own eyes and felt with my own emotions. The truth is a story created at and after the final whistle by mangers in the post match and by edited highlights of spotlighted controversies .

We can't get rid of VAR but for me and many match going fans it's changed the experience for the worse .
 
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