VAR Discussion Thread

Blue Maverick said:
Everyone is interviewed after the game, players, managers, pundits yet the twats ruining the game are not, the press shoukd be allowed to question the referees and the ones at Stockley park and ask them why they made those decisions. Ask why a penalty wasn’t given for the holding on the West Ham players prior to the foul on Raya? They hide away and any critiscm (Rodri) and you are dragged over the coals, it’s ridiculous.
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I actually think the press are part of the issue...they want this "controversy" as it sells.....its absolutely clear to me that when you ahve two or more pundits on a panel that they are scripted..one to say one thing - the other to oppose them around decisions like this....to help create that controversy and conversation around it.....you can certainly tell with pundits like Sturridge and Richards!!!....Neville and Caragher are two others who do this as well but not as often...then you usually have a third (and Keane plays this part very well) who will side with one or the other or just say something controversial that has nothing to do with the debate....

Fuck the press and go back to basics...get rid of VAR, give the press no access to anything other than pre match and post match interviews with manager and players.

I like what Pep does - he generally (not all the time but most ofthe time) refuses to get drawn into the discussion on refs etc (He has slipped at times)...treat them witht he disdain they deserve unless its questions about the tactics and game itself.

Fine every manager who even mentions decisions!! - Especially Arteta who is the biggest hypocrite going!
 
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Gordyola said:
MoTD fielded Darren McCann the former linesman he said the right decsion was reached and it dint matter how long it took! He was asked by Shay Given who argued that this was typical of fouls that had occurred and resulted in goals all season why the fouls occurring before the foul on Raja weren't look at? He introduced a new word in the lexicon of VAR they weren't “significant”
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He said they assess all the fouls/holding and then decide which incident is the most ‘impactive’. What fucking nonsense!
 
Those saying the issue isn’t VAR are unfortunately misguided, as the whole premise of it results in what we now have.

There are simply not black and white situations in football, hence always arguments about interpretation, integrity etc. I remember discussing with my dad before it was rolled out. He was excited about it and I said it would ruin football, because there were always disagreements about interpretations of fouls, offsides etc before, so all it would do is remove the spontaneity of goal celebrations and delay the flow of games. He’s come around.

It just needs binning off. I hate it.
 
Brightwell’s left peg said:
Those saying the issue isn’t VAR are unfortunately misguided, as the whole premise of it results in what we now have.

There are simply not black and white situations in football, hence always arguments about interpretation, integrity etc. I remember discussing with my dad before it was rolled out. He was excited about it and I said it would ruin football, because there were always disagreements about interpretations of fouls, offsides etc before, so all it would do is remove the spontaneity of goal celebrations and delay the flow of games. He’s come around.

It just needs binning off. I hate it.
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you will still get inconsistencies
 
The frame originally shown for tonight’s offside against Leeds (would’ve been a penalty had it not been offside) which was later not used by VAR to determine the offside.

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Vester said:
As someone who is watching a lot of football leagues and not just City, I would argue that VAR is pretty bad everywhere but in England it's significantly worse than in other countries. It feels like the on pitch refs in England have just stopped making any big calls on the pitch themselves and just prefer to let VAR figure everything out instead.

What was sold as "will only be used rarely when its a clear and obvious referee mistake and take 30 seconds at most" is now used multiple times every game despite it mostly takes several minutes of replays from multiple angles to find the "clear and obvious" mistake in question.

It should be that if a VAR-ref cant confirm any clear and obvious mistake within 10 seconds of replays, it shouldn't be possible to claim that the ref call is clear and obviously wrong.
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4 minutes 17 seconds and 17 different angles for several referees sat in a room to come up with something to rule the goal out.

That’s as far away from a “clear and obvious error” as you can get.

If an error is clear and obvious they’d be able to see that within 1-2 rewatches.
 
Stoned Rose said:
4 minutes 17 seconds and 17 different angles for several referees sat in a room to come up with something to rule the goal out.

That’s as far away from a “clear and obvious error” as you can get.

If an error is clear and obvious they’d be able to see that within 1-2 rewatches.
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If it’s clear an obvious why do they need slow motion and freeze frames to see it? VAR has always been a nonsense and will never change
They mark their own home work and claim it’s means more accurate decisions, have a army of ex officials who make a good living after retirement from active PGMOL duty to defend decisions
The active ones now have double gig weekends on field one day VAR. the next so double bubble and the supplier companies like Hawkeye make a fortune from it
VAR is also a useful tool to manipulate decisions we have seen it tonight in the game and the way that Newcastle’s goal was ruled onside v City, clear evidence being that when the kick point was made by Woltermader’s header, in reality Dias was grounded when shown as a VR image he was jumping
 
Stoned Rose said:
4 minutes 17 seconds and 17 different angles for several referees sat in a room to come up with something to rule the goal out.

That’s as far away from a “clear and obvious error” as you can get.

If an error is clear and obvious they’d be able to see that within 1-2 rewatches.
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According to the simpleton Darren Caan(ex ref),it was crucial they got the right decision even, though it took ages,it didn't matter as the game had a lot riding on it potential relegation potential.prem championship.

No it had 3 points riding on it,precisely the same number of points as in the other 37 games in a 38 game season,they all count.


Picking and choosing when to apply the rules based on how big a game it is.
And then they wonder why fans up and down the country claim the game is bent.
 
Stoned Rose said:
4 minutes 17 seconds and 17 different angles for several referees sat in a room to come up with something to rule the goal out.

That’s as far away from a “clear and obvious error” as you can get.

If an error is clear and obvious they’d be able to see that within 1-2 rewatches.
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They got to the right decision it was a foul! Even though they let them go all season! What is annoying is why do Arsenal get the benefit of that length of time? When all season if other teams had incidents looked at longer they too could have benefited? Sorry new rule should be brought in that var watches it at normal speed, slow speed once each from the video footage they have if nothing there they see that sticks out from that the on field decision stands! Oh tell the referees to make fucking decisions on the pitch don’t bottle it!
 
Stoned Rose said:
4 minutes 17 seconds and 17 different angles for several referees sat in a room to come up with something to rule the goal out.

That’s as far away from a “clear and obvious error” as you can get.

If an error is clear and obvious they’d be able to see that within 1-2 rewatches.
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VAR was sold to the public as a solution to fix "clear and obvious" mistakes by the ref, but is instead used to scrutinise every major decision in a futile attempt to reach perfection.
When we all now perfection is impossible when 10 differents refs can look at the same action and not all of them will come to the same conclusion since decisions are not black or white, its a judgement.
 
skillman said:
I still can’t believe the offside decision from last night.

How we have a system in place that is allowed to pick and choose a frame that suits is beyond me.

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The semi-automated offside image they decided to show, was beyond ridiculous. None of the Geometry made sense. It looked like a failed attempt at answering a CSE Technical Drawing question.
 
The whole idea of VAR is illogical. We were concerned by human error on the part of referees and linesmen so have looked to assist them with video evidence and slow motion replays, assessed by referees. It was never going to work.

Offsides, fine - get the computer to draw a line and it's offside or it isn't. You'll lose some via a toe, you'll win some via a toe.

But looking into the fine detail of individual moments to check if there's a reason to rule out a goal or give a penalty is absolute madness and is sucking all enjoyment out of the game. What is even more painful is that there's no consistency because, like with all human decisions, there's a variance between what each official deems to be a foul or not. So the West Ham goal for example is ruled out, when last night, someone else in the VAR room might have decided there wasn't enough contact. If human error is still part of the process, and it's not delivering consistency you have to get rid of it.

The emotion of West Ham's equaliser was epic on my part - I went absolutely mental. Rolling around on the floor, bundling my kids to the ground. I forgot for a moment we had this painful process and I should have sat down, unmoved until they'd completed their check 10 minutes later.
 
Blue Maverick said:
Everyone is interviewed after the game, players, managers, pundits yet the twats ruining the game are not, the press shoukd be allowed to question the referees and the ones at Stockley park and ask them why they made those decisions. Ask why a penalty wasn’t given for the holding on the West Ham players prior to the foul on Raya? They hide away and any critiscm (Rodri) and you are dragged over the coals, it’s ridiculous.
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Waste of time , they'll only give the same reasons as the twat on Sky gives on a Monday morning.
 
simon23 said:
The issue isnt VAR

The issue isnt the decision for Arsenal this weekend

The issue is inconsistency with decisions

That goal was rightfully disallowed - it was a foul on the keeper. HOWEVER what lots of commentators/pundits etc fail to talk about by getting distracted by the was it wasnt it debate and the other debate the other players holding in the incident etc is that Arsenal have been scoring goals like that all season by interfering with/fouling the goalkeeper....so why have all their goals stood and this one didnt for West Ham - Arsenal have literally built a title charge on the back of goals scored very similar to that which West Ham scored

However, playing devils advocate, you will always get inconsistencies while human beings referee...whether you believe its by design/corruption or by genuine mistake...humans are fallible and corruptible - whichever you choose it to be - this wont change....get rid of VAR and refs will still make wrong decisions...the did before VAR

The advantage to getting rid of VAR is that there is less delays to games...
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"That goal was rightfully disallowed - it was a foul on the keeper"

But the game should have been stopped for the earlier foul by Trossard, who without looking at the ball, in fact his back was facing the ball, was grappling with Pedro in a clear attempt to stop him jumping or moving for the ball. Everyone mentioning the foul on the keeper would be right, maybe, if Trossard had not committed the initial foul but everything after Trossards foul is chatter from talking heads. Play to the laws of the game not some officials 'subjective' interpretation of them. West Ham were robbed of an equaliser and nothing you or anybody other defender of officials will get me to change my mind on this. The game should have stopped and a penalty given the moment Trossard went on his mission fouling Pedro.
 
Brightwell’s left peg said:
Those saying the issue isn’t VAR are unfortunately misguided, as the whole premise of it results in what we now have.

There are simply not black and white situations in football, hence always arguments about interpretation, integrity etc. I remember discussing with my dad before it was rolled out. He was excited about it and I said it would ruin football, because there were always disagreements about interpretations of fouls, offsides etc before, so all it would do is remove the spontaneity of goal celebrations and delay the flow of games. He’s come around.

It just needs binning off. I hate it.
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I been saying that for years. All the way through Bluehammer (who just followed the PGMOL script) about how well it corrects errors and is the future..... Its changing our game for the worse. It isnt even the tech, its the surrounding SHITE that it brings.
 
half & half derby scarf said:
The semi-automated offside image they decided to show, was beyond ridiculous. None of the Geometry made sense. It looked like a failed attempt at answering a CSE Technical Drawing question.
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It’s just cheating. Let’s call it what it really is. Like the Dias levitation graphic. They are deliberately creating an impression that their decison is right to deceive people.
 
As soon as it was announced we were to have VAR i did point out that it would be the same incompetent officials who would be reviewing it. I also suggested that they get only a minute to review and only allowed to watch in real time
When I went to a refs meeting at the beginning of last season held by Andy Madley he said that they had been advised not to use still images. Wonder what happened to that
 
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