VAR Discussion Thread

simon23 said:
ref always has final say I think
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Would have been interesting if Maranakis would have done his Everton tweet today about the referee. Knowing how it works we would have most probably got a 2m fine.
 
More bent that wwe and with the governing bodys NDAs or contracts preventing the broadcasters saying anything controversial (Radio 5 live broadcasters across the board said that handball was legal) or disparaging, we will never know. But it stinks.

They have created a framework for cheating. VAR will rubber stamp it.
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
VAR should have called that out straight away. I dont know why this was decided by the ref, it isnt subjective, its a straight handball leading to a goal.
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Well it is a handball and think it is self-explanatory what he's been sent to the screen for. I don't know of anybody in their right mind that wouldn't consider that handball.

The role or VAR is not to re-referee the game so the onus is on the referee to make the final decision. The format of it is another discussion altogether, but I do agree with you in that respect. I wish they'd do away with going to the screen completely. They spend 5 minutes looking at it in the VAR room and then send the ref over to the monitor to waste another few minutes when 99% of the time they overturn their original decision. It is a complete waste of time. Ironically it wasn't the case on this occasion and for the first time I can recall VAR has been let down by the referee.

I honestly think they only do it this way as they believe it adds some kind of 'drama' to the people watching the game on television. Give the VAR team a time restriction of a couple of minutes to decide if it is a 'clear and obvious' error and if they disagree with the ref after those two minutes overturn the decision and just crack on with the game. It's an absolute farce.
 
I was listening to it on talksport (Sam matterface and Steve Bruce?) you could tell Bruce thought it was handball, Sam matterface was adamant that it was completely accidental. Now that I've seen it, how it wasn't disallowed is beyond me
 
PSmyth07 said:
I was listening to it on talksport (Sam matterface and Steve Bruce?) you could tell Bruce thought it was handball, Sam matterface was adamant that it was completely accidental. Now that I've seen it, how it wasn't disallowed is beyond me
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Don’t worry mate, ball going to brush the finger of a Burnley CB in the 95th minute at 0-0. Definition will thankfully be restored then
 
Would love to see a comparison between the Gabriel Jesus goal against Spurs a few seasons ago and the one at old toilet today , they had to zoom in a hundred times to spot the ball possibly brushing Laportes arm , (or could have been a Spurs player , difficult to tell) yet that was disallowed , Mbuemo virtually brings the ball under control with his arm yet thats ok apparently ...well it is for the rags at the swamp , doubt it would stand for any other team ..
 
Longdarnit Blue said:
This “ leading to a goal’ and ‘accidental’ is pure gaslighting by the media. Mbueumo controls the ball with his arm, it’s a handball. If he did that anywhere on the pitch, it’s a handball.
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Quite, quite and thrice quite.. Mbuemo not only 'trapped' (albeit briefly and with a light touch but a full touch nonetheless) the ball between his forearm and side, the ball then fell kindly for him to be able to attempt a shot at goal, even before the ball is deflected for Cunha to take advantage and score.

For once, VAR did its job properly in calling over the referee to review what actually had happened.

That having seen all the evidence, for the referee still to give the goal was an absolutely outrageous and incompetent ultimate decision.

Forest and its supporters are correct to complain (not that it will make the slghtest bit of difference..)
 
Admits mistake - however "Referees' boss Howard Webb spoke to Forest to explain that while there could be justifiable reasons to judge this was not handball, a better decision, and one that would be expected, is for it to be disallowed."

Still fucking pussyfooting around his paymasters
 
glyncity said:
Would love to see a comparison between the Gabriel Jesus goal against Spurs a few seasons ago and the one at old toilet today , they had to zoom in a hundred times to spot the ball possibly brushing Laportes arm , (or could have been a Spurs player , difficult to tell) yet that was disallowed , Mbuemo virtually brings the ball under control with his arm yet thats ok apparently ...well it is for the rags at the swamp , doubt it would stand for any other team ..
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Just like Jack's in the cup final.... anyone spot the common denominator??
 
I think people complaining about fixing are just losing their heads a bit, if you just step back and look at it objectively - the shit decisions are across the board. Generally everyone is getting them for and against them, maybe some worse than others, but there have genuinely been some fucking shockers this season. I don't think VAR is to blame, the way they use it has always been wrong and will continue to be because they're cretins who crave control and power rather than doing what's right for the game.
 
simon23 said:
the point cause you have joined a discussion in the middle of it and clearly havent read it all is that all the complaints about VAR are irrelevant. Get rid of it ...fine......but we will still get wrong decisions. ...keep it, people will conintue to waste time arguing over something we have no contorl over and wont change...as Pep says, concentrate on what we can do, work harder, play better.

All teams get wrong decisions -look at what just happened int he Utd vs forrest game....VAR asked the ref to review the handball and the ref still gives the goal...so VAR did its job an the ref still got it wrong.....

VAR isnt the problem...its human error that is the problem and that aint going to change so people should just stop bitching about it

and to your point....every team and defenders do that every single corner in every single match.....they either get given or they dont....some do, some dont.....so again its irrelvant....the foul on the keeper was clear as day and only bias is stopping people from acknowledging that...

Carry on blaming refs if we fail to winthe title...bury heads in sand if you want...go screm at the moon and live in some echo chamner where you only acknowledge what goes for you - all fine - but that doesnt win you things...

What will win us titles int he future is us being better so that the mistakes by refs dont affect us.
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Just because 'that's the way it is' doesn't mean it's working correctly. We know that you need to deal with the current implementation of the rules, and as a team you need to play better to alleviate those potential discrepancies, but that doesn't automatically make things right. I've yet to hear a decent argument of why VAR shouldn't re-referee the game? If you ran a business where a couple of blokes in a room get decisions correct 47 times, yet only 2 times it gets overturned by an individual, I'm presuming you'd implement the system that gets things right approx. 98% of the time. This idea we're being fed that VAR is not 're-refereeing' games is bollocks. The facts speak for themselves. I'm not advocating one or the other as I'd actually prefer no VAR, but one thing I'm not advocating is both. The current system is dogshit.

If VAR suggestions of 'clear and obvious errors' are being adhered to 98% of the time by referees, I don't want a situation where a ref can simply overturn the VAR decision on a whim. This will undoubtedly lead to major errors. VAR has only been overturned by referees 2 times out of 47 this season, and fortunately it hasn't yet been a title-deciding or relegation determining game. On both occasions that the ref decided to go against the VAR recommendation it was extremely contentious and led to ongoing debate for days after. We all know it's only a matter of time before this same situation happens in a crucial game, and when it does the conspiracy theories will naturally go through the roof. The current system is not fit for purpose.
 
Dermot Gallagher on Talksport tonight for once finding himself completely at odds with the decision on Havertz. It was a clear red card in normal play and even worse when you look at it on var and it should have been a red. He couldn't even come up with a lame reason to excuse the decision.
 
Disgraceful call on Havertz, first by Tierney and then by VAR.

Then again, when Gabriel headbutts Haaland on global TV in the biggest game of the season to date and neither the ref nor VAR gives a red card, you know where you stand wrt the PGMOL & PL.

New winner? Coming right up…
 
madloaf said:
It's completely fucking useless.
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Hard to argue with this.

This is where we are with football at the moment: referee allowed a goal despite a handball offence, VAR doesn't agree with him and tells him to review it, the referee doesn't agree with VAR and allows it, Webb agrees with VAR and disagrees with the referee and apologies to Forest. It's a Never Ending Story. I wouldn't be surprised if the KMIP eventually agrees with the referee and disagrees with Webb and VAR.....

Completely fucking useless.
 
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