VAR (PL introduction 2019)

With these new rules in place this bloke is going to be in high demand when someone needs to sign a new defender.

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VAR will be used to help the cartel become richer and the gatecrashersvas far away from the top table as possible. By all accounts if PSG had actually remembered where the goal was this decision wouldn’t have mattered. However...
 
schfc6 said:
Would that not be covered under the 'clear & obvious' error narrative. As there's such debate, from all sides, it's certainly not a clear and obvious error. Therefore, should have been left alone.
Unless they've now changed the wording?
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As I say above, the ref changed his decision so obviously believed that had made a clear and obvious error based on whatever interpretation they’re using.
 
ancoats said:
i seen it coming with VAR and handball ??? Letting loose the lunatics wasn't the greatest of ideas ??

VAR will just be another tool for the so called big team to use and give advantage over a team that does not lick ass of uefa or fifa, PSG and manchester city last week was punished for handball when clearly was not in a million years HANDBALL, its cost PSG their place in the next round and it could also cost manchester city and funny both clubs are under the FFP rulings ??? something fishy YOU FUCKING BELIEVE IT'S fishy

united are a million miles off last 8 of champions league quality, yes they shown fight but got lucky twice ?? but the pen was shocking and from now on every club and game in champions league is going to be a joke for defenders and dare you jump for a header or block a shot if you have your arms down and turning you back ???

VAR was not put in place for this and the rules was for clear and obvious mistake by the referee who is seeing it live and when city and PSG got punished for handball the referee give a corner knowing it was just about impossible to get out of the way in real time, but VAR over turned it on a slow motion video clip and like last night every review of the clip was in slow motion and the ref was told to give it

forget manchester city ever winning the champions league now they have VAR in place ?? they can now control the results as well as running a football club, and for me its pointless even playing in the competition if somebody in a studio miles away can over turn the officials at the game live, its gone to far already and its only the first round of the champions league ???? it might as well be a game of Fifa football on a playstation or Xbox and let somebody else play the game

its a simple fix for me don't use VAR for handball unless its clear and obvious mistake and cheating by the player, like if his arm is up in the air and knowing he is trying to get advantage and you can see it a mile off when a player is cheating and doing a hand ball to stop the ball


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why was the pen given and no yellow or red card shown if its stop a clear chance ?? i think both city and PSG shocking VAR pens ?? the ball was not on target anyway, and did not once did the players made the attempt to put his arm to the ball, in city case otamendi was moving it away and trying to get out of the way ????
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There's a few on here that were adamant the otamendi penalty was legit....
 
SWP's back said:
As I say above, the ref changed his decision so obviously believed that had made a clear and obvious error based on whatever interpretation they’re using.
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Or the more cynical perspective actually ref take another look there might just be enough doubt\grey area to fuck these rich upstarts over. And wtf was going on with the ref viewing the replays making a decision, speaking to someone on rag bench, then viewing again.

If either the schalke pen or the rags last night is given in real time their isn't too much a debate, however the lack of transparency and seemingly blatant interpretation of rules to suit the decision a perceived agenda against the gatecrashers leaves suspicions and doubt of their integrity very much at the forefront. I hope your right and they apply them consistently.

On the plus side the VAR in the porto game for their penalty to knock Roma out was spot on.
 
The handball rules need to be more specific around 'deliberate' handball which should be a penalty because of the intent and accidental handball which should not. if a ball is blasted at you from up to 10 metres away or less it is going to be difficult to avoid the ball touching your arm under certain circumstances. Are players to run around the pitch with heir arms behind their back? The whole thing is just ludicrous. It must be possible to describe deliberate hand ball in a clear and simple way. Neither Otamendis or last nights were penalties and Paris could well feel totally fucked off (if it wasnt for the fact the big jessies threw the game through arrogance and complacency
 
BlueAnorak said:
Quite.
The whole implementation of VAR is not public enough. Football has a lot to learn from Rugby and Cricket in this respect. Everything has to be made public and subject to scrutiny.
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Cricket is not public and subject to scrutiny. The whole basis of the predictive nature of the review system has been kept secret by the ICC. No one has any idea how accurate it is, what the margin of error is or how reliable it is. They did do some testing of it, but refused to release the report.

Cricket is not a template for anything.
 
Few years ago if someone told me that decisions during a football match would be made in a darkened room in a separate location made by someone we dont know I would have said thats madness.

Its subjective, 99% of the decisions are. Let the ref make that call. Not some stranger!
 
schfc6 said:
Would that not be covered under the 'clear & obvious' error narrative. As there's such debate, from all sides, it's certainly not a clear and obvious error. Therefore, should have been left alone.
Unless they've now changed the wording?
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In case the referee has completely missed the incident, it doesn't have to be a clear and obvious mistake for a VAR overview if I'm getting it right.
 
I'd read some comments about last night's incident and I imagined a scenario of someone crossing the ball and a defender trying to block the cross. When I saw it on TV, I just shook my head in disbelief. How did anyone spot the contact between ball and arm? And who spotted it? As Lancet Fluke has pointed out, that's the problem here. How many incidents don't get VARed that could?

Let the teams appeal if they feel hard done by and have done with this backroom bullshit.
 
Henkeman said:
Cricket is not public and subject to scrutiny. The whole basis of the predictive nature of the review system has been kept secret by the ICC. No one has any idea how accurate it is, what the margin of error is or how reliable it is. They did do some testing of it, but refused to release the report.

Cricket is not a template for anything.
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Rubbish man. Look at how the decision is relayed to the crowd. You know instantly if it is definitely in or out and umpires call are always borderline.
 
BlueAnorak said:
Rubbish man. Look at how the decision is relayed to the crowd. You know instantly if it is definitely in or out and umpires call are always borderline.
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What I wrote is entirely true. "Rubbish" is not a counter argument.

It is indeed replayed to the crowd, but the basis of the decision and the accuracy of the technology behind it has never been publicly viewed. You watch and assume it is correct, it is entirely self-justifying.

Your original point was that it is open to scrutiny. No it is not. It is taken entirely on trust. The ICC are no kind of template here.
 
daveiw01 said:
There's a few on here that were adamant the otamendi penalty was legit....
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hahahahaha

how can anybody say otamendi was hand ball ?? i even think he did his best to turn and pull is arm away from that close range, i think is was 00.6 of a second from shot to ball hitting his arm and if he meant that ?? then he is a better player than we give him credit for hahaha
 
what is the rule for ball to hand ???? vs handball

look the officials are and always will be biased to the top clubs because the governing bodies are run by them, the premier league and uefa are so united and liverpool based, and being touted as top dogs of the english game and having a so called media power for a tv armchair fan base they have to be seen giving them the advantage because its their football and they don't want to lose their job and good lifestyle its brings both

hand ball or ball to hand
its all the same its open to how much your worth and how much the match officials wants to keep their jobs, its plain and simple
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
Few years ago if someone told me that decisions during a football match would be made in a darkened room in a separate location made by someone we dont know I would have said thats madness.

Its subjective, 99% of the decisions are. Let the ref make that call. Not some stranger!
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The ref does and did make the call last night in both games. Only times it’s a guy in a darkened room is “likes calls”.
 
Henkeman said:
Cricket is not public and subject to scrutiny. The whole basis of the predictive nature of the review system has been kept secret by the ICC. No one has any idea how accurate it is, what the margin of error is or how reliable it is. They did do some testing of it, but refused to release the report.

Cricket is not a template for anything.
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Totally agree with this. Same with Hawkeye in tennis. Not as fallible as everyone is led to believe. I think pakistan raises concerns about accuracy of the tech in cricket and the Indians refused to use it for a good while.
 
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