VAR (PL introduction 2019)

cleavers said:
I'm aware of that, and its wrong imho, especially when its noses and fingers they're using, the law will need to be clarified further, and further, and further.....
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So your angsr against VAR is wrongly placed. Its the Laws you need to focus on. I disagree with you about offside for these reasons. The Cameroon player was 6 inches offside. Technology showed that. If you then start to say close calls should be let go it opens it up to abuse and corrupt human intervention. And guess who ends up benefitting from that. Yep, the cartel and were back to the disgraceful levels we have been for the last 20 years

Some of the process’ needs changing, all this bullshit about the ref trotting to the side of the pitch is woeful. Its taking far to long. But its getting most decisions right....
 
ancoats said:
clear and obvious mistakes ??????

until we have a moving laser beam on the touch line just over the advertising boards and a sensor in the player boot and ball for the ball is clearly left the foot then your offside ?? that's when technology and VAR can judge offside
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So the Tottenham game a few years back when they scored 3 offside goals and sky showed that within seconds each time. Are you telling me they were wrong and they were all onside?
 
BlueHammer85 said:
I love the fact players are crying and near enough refusing the play because the decision has gone against them and it’s proven they are completely in the wrong. Keep it going VAR.
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What was your opinion on the horseshit call to overturn that perfectly good French goal?
 
BlueHammer85 said:
I love the fact players are crying and near enough refusing the play because the decision has gone against them and it’s proven they are completely in the wrong. Keep it going VAR.
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They'd still be wrong even if VARs didn't exist. So nothing new there. This type of thing happened before in the mens' world cup. Kuwait I think, in Spain. They 'heard a whistle in the crowd', stopped playing and France scored.
 
Bluearmy said:
So your angsr against VAR is wrongly placed. Its the Laws you need to focus on. I disagree with you about offside for these reasons. The Cameroon player was 6 inches offside. Technology showed that. If you then start to say close calls should be let go it opens it up to abuse and corrupt human intervention. And guess who ends up benefitting from that. Yep, the cartel and were back to the disgraceful levels we have been for the last 20 years

Some of the process’ needs changing, all this bullshit about the ref trotting to the side of the pitch is woeful. Its taking far to long. But its getting most decisions right....
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Is it? And at what cost. If you take the passion from sport what is left. May as well watch two kids play Fifa on a console if you’re that keen to have technology make decisions. This will ruin football. It’s shite on many levels but the biggest issue is that watching something in slow motion will always make it appear different than real time therefore the decision you make is not like for like. The Lorente handball is all you need as an example of why VAR is shite. Now people are saying we need to change rules to suit VAR? Leave the game alone it’s the biggest sport in the world for a reason. The goal line tech was enough.
 
When a ball is kicked the ball is in contact with the player for a period of time. At what point does time freeze to determine offside? Is it at the point of first contact or last contact?

My point is that if VAR is going to overrule on field offside decisions where there is only 6 inches in it, by moving forward or backward a frame you can manipulate the result.
 
The warning signs are now clear for FIFA.

All aspects of the game require the ball to have completely crossed the line to be considered a goal or out of play. Why is offside any different? The attacker should be completely beyond the final defender, not offside because a toenail is the wrong side. It's actually a really easy change for FIFA to make and could be brought in very quickly. It doesn't resolve everything by any means but as things stand this is going to kill the game and quickly I reckon.

And when they've finished with offside then they can revisit the handball situation. I can't actually believe that clubs wouldn't want it any other way than what I suggest.
 
I really don't get why people are having a go at VAR, the technology is right and it's there to be used. The implementation, training and practice of it in real life situations is failing because FIFA and UEFA have not followed other sports in how it's used. On top of that they have added complicated rules and changes that are ruining it, for instance, other sports do not go to the on pitch/court referee and the decisions are made quickly and with supporter interaction. On top of the decisions taking ages and still being obviously incorrect at times, there is a huge issue in the stadiums as most of the time you have no fucking idea what's going on and then it takes an age for everything to happen, which pisses you off even more.
There needs to be learn's from these fuck ups, that's not on the technology, that's on the nobheads controlling the implementation and use.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
We should get rid of linos aswell.
That moment when they flag after a goal is scored when it is offside after everyone’s celebrating. Sickening. Ruining football. Just let the goal stand so we can enjoy it !
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You keep saying this and people keep pointing out that the two scenarios aren't even remotely the same. Yet here you are repeating it once again as though it has any relevance to the point being made.

When a linesman flags to disallow a goal, it's comparatively instantaneous. It also doesn't happen very often. In fact, most of the time, you see the flag go up BEFORE a goal is scored. And, crucially to the point that you chose to sarcastically deride, you still get to celebrate. Yeah, it's gutting on the relatively rare occasions when they get disallowed, but the instinct to celebrate remains.

With VAR, every single goal is affected. A quick glance over at the linesman is no longer enough, because you know that VAR is reviewing each goal and scouring the footage for ANY reason to disallow it. If you don't think that is going to fundamentally change the experience of watching football matches and celebrating goals, then I'm afraid you're deluding yourself.
 
Dubai Blue said:
You keep saying this and people keep pointing out that the two scenarios aren't even remotely the same. Yet here you are repeating it once again as though it has any relevance to the point being made.

When a linesman flags to disallow a goal, it's comparatively instantaneous. It also doesn't happen very often. In fact, most of the time, you see the flag go up BEFORE a goal is scored. And, crucially to the point that you chose to sarcastically deride, you still get to celebrate. Yeah, it's gutting on the relatively rare occasions when they get disallowed, but the instinct to celebrate remains.

With VAR, every single goal is affected. A quick glance over at the linesman is no longer enough, because you know that VAR is reviewing each goal and scouring the footage for ANY reason to disallow it. If you don't think that is going to fundamentally change the experience of watching football matches and celebrating goals, then I'm afraid you're deluding yourself.
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Unfortunately I fear you are going to be correct. It might be ok for the TV watching fan where pundits will help fill in the story. Not so the match going fan. It is typical of UEFA and the FA that they have not chosen to learn from other sports who have implemented successfully. Try and re-imagine the Aguero moment with VAR. Scary thought.
 
Dubai Blue said:
You keep saying this and people keep pointing out that the two scenarios aren't even remotely the same. Yet here you are repeating it once again as though it has any relevance to the point being made.

When a linesman flags to disallow a goal, it's comparatively instantaneous. It also doesn't happen very often. In fact, most of the time, you see the flag go up BEFORE a goal is scored. And, crucially to the point that you chose to sarcastically deride, you still get to celebrate. Yeah, it's gutting on the relatively rare occasions when they get disallowed, but the instinct to celebrate remains.

With VAR, every single goal is affected. A quick glance over at the linesman is no longer enough, because you know that VAR is reviewing each goal and scouring the footage for ANY reason to disallow it. If you don't think that is going to fundamentally change the experience of watching football matches and celebrating goals, then I'm afraid you're deluding yourself.
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i agree it will change the experience but fans will adapt - from what i've seen so far, once VAR has decided the outcome there's more celebrations, in some ways you get to experience the europhia of scoring twice in the space of a few minutes.
Over time it will always improve, as the demand for it to improve will be there - whereas the standard of referring could no longer improve, in fact it was declining, refs could not keep up with the speed of the game and the cleverness of players when it comes to diving - some form of help for the refs HAD to come in.
 
My gripe is that it takes away the emotion of celebrating goals.

As an example when David Silva slotted home the opener against Watford, in the bloody FA Cup no less, I just sat there thinking “well it did look like he could be off or one of the challenges could have been seen as a shove”, so I just thought I’d wait until it was confirmed as a goal.

Normally you celebrate as soon as the player continues to celebrate, because you know he’s looked at the officials and this is a 3-4 second delay, whereas now it’s like 30 seconds.
 
cleavers said:
Rugby and cricket do it differently, Rugby with it being on the screen, and discussed live between VAR and actual referee over an ope Mic come to conclusions together, whilst cricket see's the decision taken off field to the 3rd umpire, with effectively guidance from the on field umpire, ie "given out" and "given not out", and with debatable catches a "soft" decision is given from on field.

Both systems appear to work well, with few complaints, perhaps catches aside, so why football wants to go a route that's markedly different is anyone's guess.
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I think the main difference with rugby is that nearly everything is objective - ball clearly grounded, or foot in touch, or offside. There's the odd claim for obstruction (dummy runs, for example), but most things are yes/no.

Fouls such as a penalty area push are more subjective.
 
I’ve been a big proponent of VAR but now there’s never going to be the same initial joy of scoring as I’m always always going to be waiting for the review.

The goal against Spurs and feeling afterwards will never be forgotten.
 
cleavers said:
I seem to remember the PL have said the replays will be shown at PL grounds. *


(*those that can afford screens obviously, semaphore will be used instead in trafford and anfield.)
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Yeah but even then they say they’ll only show replays where it’s “clear”, which makes me ask, surely every fucking decision has to be clear?
 
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