VAR (PL introduction 2019)

aguero93:20 said:
As I've already said mate, you don't need to track the ball if you have as wide angle a lens as possible and as high a frame rate as possible. Neither do you need to anticipate when you're tracking across one axis at multiple times the speed.
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Yes, you keep saying it, and it doesn't alter the fact you cannot be perfectly following the line. There will be an angle as it is behind the movements of the players by definition. In order to account for that angle, it will have to be tracked in three dimensions.

You've studiously avoided commenting on why it is that they don't just have a camera in the goalposts for goal line technology and have those multiple cameras around the stadium tracking the ball. It's because it doesn't work, due to the offset of angles, no matter how wide angle the camera might be.
 
Henkeman said:
Yes, you keep saying it, and it doesn't alter the fact you cannot be perfectly following the line. There will be an angle as it is behind the movements of the players by definition. In order to account for that angle, it will have to be tracked in three dimensions.

You've studiously avoided commenting on why it is that they don't just have a camera in the goalposts for goal line technology and have those multiple cameras around the stadium tracking the ball. It's because it doesn't work, due to the offset of angles, no matter how wide angle the camera might be.
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You can't have just one or two cameras for goal line technology as you don't have the height to avoid being blocked by bodies
, you're right up close and you're looking for a system that makes a decision without human involvement. Completely different. The greater distance and height you have the more you capture.
 
aguero93:20 said:
You can't have just one or two cameras for goal line technology as you don't have the height to avoid being blocked by bodies
, you're right up close and you're looking for a system that makes a decision without human involvement. Completely different. The greater distance and height you have the more you capture.
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No, I'm saying that your system is not going to be level, and will be offset every single second it is used because it is responding to movement. The moment it is not level, it is incorrect. Not only does it not work, it is impossible that it can work.

That's why the only solution would be three dimensional tracking. Which is the Star Trek solution at present.

Just to put the side on camera into context, if it's one degree off, then by the other side of the field the difference will be approaching three feet away from the perpendicular. It's a lot.
 
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They could just change the offside law to something like ice hockey has. You've then got a static line and two moving objects, instead of a constantly moving line, several moving objects and a judgment call. It would also encourage bus parkers to park higher up the pitch.
 
You saw tonight how they will manipulate its use to suit still and it will solve nothing and cause even more arguments because they are just fucking cheating twats.

How is that not a penalty? How does dean not even review it on the screen and if he does, how can what is a foul anywhere else on the pitch not be a penalty?

First time it might go in our favour and we get fucked over as expected.
 
blueinsa said:
You saw tonight how they will manipulate its use to suit still and it will solve nothing and cause even more arguments because they are just fucking cheating twats.

How is that not a penalty? How does dean not even review it on the screen and if he does, how can what is a foul anywhere else on the pitch not be a penalty?

First time it might go in our favour and we get fucked over as expected.
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The part that really annoy me the most îs when they don t go to check the screen... And for the penalty it was very clear tgat îs was a penalty ... They will just manipulate to the Point when will give up on the System because won t do the job properly not because the ref are shit as fuck / bent and can t do their fucking job
 
Will take a few years still to get it totally right. Why we have so many knicker wetting fans nowadays who can’t allow any form of error at all does my head in - yet they’re happier with a ref guessing whilst 22 players are cheating and diving. No thanks. Bring on VAR and be patient.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Will take a few years still to get it totally right.
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Why though ? All it needs is the fans to know what is the issue, its quite simple, so let us hear it.

Tonight a penalty, looked clear first time to me, is referred , but not given, and I don't know why its not given.

It need's to be clear to the paying supporter, so it needs to be on the PA in the stadium, rugby and cricket can do this, so why is football trying to hide things ?
 
If they can make some kind of technology where you can put into a boot to track the furthest player back (second technically with keeper and all) you can theoretically have a camera track and be level with them on field at all times as long as the camera is able to move freely. Maybe too soon for this
 
Machiavelli said:
I would welcome that and hearing the comms whilst they’re deciding the outcome as well. Those in the ground would then have a detailed view of what’s going on and how the outcome was arrived at. It does raise suspicion when they wrap everything up in cloak and dagger - remember how long they resisted GLT, now non goals like the 1.12cm from Liverpool aren’t even in doubt. Imagine paying good money and attending a match and not being valued enough to be informed of what’s happening with match decisions that go to VAR.
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Machiavelli said:
I would welcome that and hearing the comms whilst they’re deciding the outcome as well. Those in the ground would then have a detailed view of what’s going on and how the outcome was arrived at. It does raise suspicion when they wrap everything up in cloak and dagger - remember how long they resisted GLT, now non goals like the 1.12cm from Liverpool aren’t even in doubt. Imagine paying good money and attending a match and not being valued enough to be informed of what’s happening with match decisions that go to VAR.
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Comms from the build-up to Kane's penalty?

Clear and obvious error?

Cast
Ref: M. Oliver
Line: D. Cann
VAR: J. Moss

Oliver: ''Darren, you sure he's offside?''
Cann: ''Looked like it to me, Mike''.
Oliver: ''Jon, can you check, Is that a clear and obvious mistake by Darren?''
Moss: '' Welllll, no......aaaaand yes''
Cann: '' 'kin 'ell Jon, you taking the piss?''
Oliver: ''Hurry up Jon, the camera's are on me''
Moss: ''Listen, it's too close to call, but I think his feet are on side, can't check about the rest of him, angles are crap''
Cann: ''Told you''
Oliver: ''FFS, most of him onside then?''
Moss: 'Yeah, go for it''
Oliver: ''Okay, so penalty?''
Moss: ''What?''
Oliver: ''Did the keeper take Kane out?''
Moss: '' Dunno, these blinking buttons. Taking ages this, fuck it, go on then, yeah''
Cann: ''Pair of Cnuts, don't include me in this''
 
blueinsa said:
You saw tonight how they will manipulate its use to suit still and it will solve nothing and cause even more arguments because they are just fucking cheating twats.

How is that not a penalty? How does dean not even review it on the screen and if he does, how can what is a foul anywhere else on the pitch not be a penalty?

First time it might go in our favour and we get fucked over as expected.
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So was it a clear pen for G Jesus ?
I thought it was a foul but maybe outside the box ?
 
mat said:
What have we learned from VAR this week?

Penalty claims only reviewed and given if involves a spud/dipper/rag.

If Jon Moss is the bastard in the bunker expect a fucking stupid decision.
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The VAR ref should have to explain his decision to us fools who no longer know the laws they’re playing to
 
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BlueHammer85 said:
Will take a few years still to get it totally right. Why we have so many knicker wetting fans nowadays who can’t allow any form of error at all does my head in - yet they’re happier with a ref guessing whilst 22 players are cheating and diving. No thanks. Bring on VAR and be patient.
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Sorry BH please tell me why I have to be patient, when a defender misses the ball completely and kicks a forward instead I expect a penalty to be given. If VAR is not being used I can accept the referee missed the foul but when he asks for VAR to review it and they still refuse to give a clear penalty then I have the right to say it is a crock of biased shit. It was fortunate that this happened against Burton and not Liverpool.
 
Blue Mist said:
Sorry BH please tell me why I have to be patient, when a defender misses the ball completely and kicks a forward instead I expect a penalty to be given. If VAR is not being used I can accept the referee missed the foul but when he asks for VAR to review it and they still refuse to give a clear penalty then I have the right to say it is a crock of biased shit. It was fortunate that this happened against Burton and not Liverpool.
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to me that was blatant cheating from dean and his cohorts last night, it was a stonewall pen and even clearer on VAR reveiw, he didn't give it because we were already 4 up and no other reason
 
tonea2003 said:
to me that was blatant cheating from dean and his cohorts last night, it was a stonewall pen and even clearer on VAR reveiw, he didn't give it because we were already 4 up and no other reason
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blueinsa said:
It was inside the box mate and it was a foul and therefore a penalty.
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they need to be showing us all on the big screen what they are seeing and explain their decision
 
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