5 live after the game, Pat Nevin made a valid point about having experts who can do the editing/replays to speed up the process - that was the thing killing it for me. At the moment, looks like they have ex-ref trying to work Final Cup Pro!
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an alternative browser.
You should upgrade or use an alternative browser.
VAR (PL introduction 2019)
- Thread starter greasedupdeafguy
- Start date
SWP's back
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- 29 Jun 2009
- Messages
- 90,520
Got all the decisions right again last night and we ended up with one goal more than we would have without it. They just need to speed up the process but I’m sure that will come with time.
Sir peace frog
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- 9 Jan 2009
- Messages
- 18,870
- Location
- stalking the canals and rivers
- Team supported
- Manchester City Football Club
luckily var saved an incredible goal,however they really need to pull their fingers out,watching on telly is frustrating waiting for decisions,but at least weve got an idea what we are looking at,at the match the fans don't have a clue,they need to show the incident on the big screens and get the crowd involved.
M
M
mat
Guest
5 live after the game, Pat Nevin made a valid point about having experts who can do the editing/replays to speed up the process - that was the thing killing it for me. At the moment, looks like they have ex-ref trying to work Final Cup Pro!
This.
VAR.
Keeping wankers like Foy,Moss,Dean on the books.
stonerblue
Well-Known Member
It’s utter shit when your at the ground. Farcical. Thank god for city Wi-fi and blue moon to let us know whether it’s a goal or not
This. Paying your fifty quid to be there and then having to watch a screen to see if it's a goal is fucking ludicrous.
Fucking shite and ruining the game. I noticed the commentators were slating var during the game but changed their tack once the producer had had a word.
And as for inventing a routine whilst waiting for the screen to tell you whether to celebrate or not, go to fuckin baseball or cricket for that shit.
stonerblue
Well-Known Member
best thing that happened to football since Guardiola decided to become a manager. I seriously think anyone who doesn't like it is bit thick.
I don't give a shit how long it takes as long as decision is right. And it's almost perfectly right each time, unless some decision that has to be viewed differently by different people as rules are not perfect.
Brilliant, brilliant stuff.
Really? How do you work that one out Einstein ?
stonerblue
Well-Known Member
Absolutely love it.
Last seasons Liverpool farces almost made me walk away from the sport as what's the point in getting emotionally invested only for an idiot or cheater to undermine performances?
Let them take 10 mins per decision if it means the right call is made. They'll get faster and refine it.
I agree more transparency would make sense(micing ref, showing in stadium etc) but this is a great start. Last year we lose 2 of those goals to ineptitude.
Ask players, coaches, doctors and managers if they'd be happy with finely tuned athletes having to stand around in the pissing rain for ten minutes before having to sprint 100 yards or pass a ball across the pitch.
Think the way uefa\fa are fucking around with it that it needs a cap say 60 secs initially coming down to 30 secs, if it takes longer than that its not clear and oblivious and original decision applies. I guess the only exception would be the ref viewing pitch side monitor incidents which should be linked to the big screens to avoid or the cloak and dagger conspiracy theories.
St.Pauli support
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- 17 Feb 2010
- Messages
- 5,830
The problem isn't VAR per se.
The problem is the huge variance of rule interpretation within refs.
And tbh, the problem is the low standard of English match officials.
I said before, waiting for a VAR decision can be fun, if you want. Moaners will just moan.
Sure it will have to be quicker, but waiting for a correct and fair decision should be worth it for the while.
The problem is the huge variance of rule interpretation within refs.
And tbh, the problem is the low standard of English match officials.
I said before, waiting for a VAR decision can be fun, if you want. Moaners will just moan.
Sure it will have to be quicker, but waiting for a correct and fair decision should be worth it for the while.
Blue Hefner
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- 11 Jul 2009
- Messages
- 15,461
I don't know what takes so long with the offside calls? They are matters of fact. the technology draws the line, presumably the technology says whether on/off-side, so why the delay?
moon
Well-Known Member
Yes lad behind had a text that Sterling was onside about 30 seconds before the ref signaled it okGot all the decisions right again last night and we ended up with one goal more than we would have without it. They just need to speed up the process but I’m sure that will come with time.
So by the time clip was seen and the text typed I would guess it could have been given at least 50 seconds earlier
Meh! They'll get used to it. There'd soon come a time when we'd wonder why we ever played the game without it.Two of the lads I sit with were talking about sacking their season tickets off last night if this is how it's going to be match in match out. That was fucking shite last night (the VAR obviously, not the performance).
Also they need to put the replay on the big screen. This is how fan involvement helps the delay.Got all the decisions right again last night and we ended up with one goal more than we would have without it. They just need to speed up the process but I’m sure that will come with time.
Thaksinssoldier
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- 28 Jun 2009
- Messages
- 10,416
Ask players, coaches, doctors and managers if they'd be happy with finely tuned athletes having to stand around in the pissing rain for ten minutes before having to sprint 100 yards or pass a ball across the pitch.
Pep seemed absolutely delighted about it post game.
The alternative is to see their hard work getting wiped out by incompetence or bias.
Of course it's not perfect yet, but it's in earlier than promised and if it prevents us getting shafted, our players, coaches, doctors and managers will be happy to have it.
Thaksinssoldier
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- 28 Jun 2009
- Messages
- 10,416
I'm all for speeding it up and here's an easy way how;
Once a VAR incident is flagged, anyone who speaks to the ref gets an automatic red card.
Seriously, there's a solid 2 mins wasted as the ref has to try run away from players who keep talking to him and getting in his face while he's trying to communicate with the VAR team.
Straight red. It'll cut the time in half.
Once a VAR incident is flagged, anyone who speaks to the ref gets an automatic red card.
Seriously, there's a solid 2 mins wasted as the ref has to try run away from players who keep talking to him and getting in his face while he's trying to communicate with the VAR team.
Straight red. It'll cut the time in half.
They could never do that, you see the uproar it can cause in the NFL when calls can't be challenged.Also they need to put the replay on the big screen. This is how fan involvement helps the delay.
Especially subjective decisions like penalty replays; if it were for the home team there'd be bedlam for the entirety of the review.
I'm not against VAR, although it undoubtedly needs refining a hell of a lot, but I am against implementing at the moment given it does absolutely nothing to address and change the problem that is a bad standard of officiating in England.
SWP's back
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- 29 Jun 2009
- Messages
- 90,520
Some bloke has to move the line to the right place. I thought Sterling was half a yard on but it turned out to be about an inch.I don't know what takes so long with the offside calls? They are matters of fact. the technology draws the line, presumably the technology says whether on/off-side, so why the delay?
I don't understand what you mean by that. The whole point of VAR is to make sure officials get the key decisions right. Which improves the standard of officiating.They could never do that, you see the uproar it can cause in the NFL when calls can't be challenged.
Especially subjective decisions like penalty replays; if it were for the home team there'd be bedlam for the entirety of the review.
I'm not against VAR, although it undoubtedly needs refining a hell of a lot, but I am against implementing at the moment given it does absolutely nothing to address and change the problem that is a bad standard of officiating in England.
Personally, i'd say keep VAR for 2 types of decisions..
1. Goal review: All goals should be reviewed automatically by a VAR staff, and if they spot a notable incident, then ref should be alerted to do a 1 minute check.
2. Penalty check: Fouls in the box, handballs and dives etc.
And the rule is simple. You make a call on the field, then only overturn that call if there is conclusive proof your decision was wrong.
Yes, there will still be some ref leeway and fans will still debate over some decisions,, but at least now you'd have some consistency.
Best thing since goalline technology in my opinion. :)
Last edited:
Blue Hefner
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- 11 Jul 2009
- Messages
- 15,461
Some bloke has to move the line to the right place. I thought Sterling was half a yard on but it turned out to be about an inch.
i didn't know a bloke(ref) did the line. That has the potential to be a bit iffy then - I thought it was a 100% technological situation
SWP's back
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- 29 Jun 2009
- Messages
- 90,520
Yes hugely. Everyone calling for it. Apart from the officials.Also they need to put the replay on the big screen. This is how fan involvement helps the delay.
Pat Nevin said the same last night and Kelly Cates was moaning that Anfield and OT don’t have screens. Nevin rightly said that they should and could install them then.