VAR (PL introduction 2019)

CITY IMPACT NEXT YEAR....... We are gonna need a more consistent penalty taker. I have a feeling we will get a minimum double of pens (as will most teams). Shirt pulling from corners will be a couple at least, then handball

Love Sergio but not his pens
 
morleyswife said:
CITY IMPACT NEXT YEAR....... We are gonna need a more consistent penalty taker. I have a feeling we will get a minimum double of pens (as will most teams). Shirt pulling from corners will be a couple at least, then handball

Love Sergio but not his pens
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Hopefully Jesus will be on the pitch, to take them ;-)
 
There was an incident in the Australia v Norway game tonight, that shows what a shit show it is.

A "foul" just outside the box resulted in a free kick and yellow card, but the replay showed it wasn't a foul, however because its outside the box, its not reviewed. Fortunately the free kick was saved not scored, but if that "foul" was in the box the penalty would have been over turned to a drop ball, and the booking wouldn't count, so now a yard could make the difference between a goal and no goal, and if the booked player commits another foul she/he could see a second yellow, and so red card.
 
Var will hopefully help eradicate some of the obvious bad decisions, but the maginal 50/50 calls will still be down to the judgement and professionalism (or otherwise) of the official watching the replay. Still plenty of scope to 'interpret ' the rules and evidence.
 
bluebaja said:
Absolutely agree. Incidents of 'handball' where it is completely accidental and has no impact on a goalscoring opportunity. So if the law of the game is to be implemented strictly, how about this which occurs 20 times or more in every game...a ball is heading for the goal line and the ball is shielded from the attacking player by the defender. The defender places his body between the attacking player and the ball so the ball runs out for a goal kick. Under Law 12 a Direct Free Kick is awarded when a player 'impedes an opponent with contact'. Can anyone with refereeing experience throw any light on that ?
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super_city_si said:
Don’t know the exact rule but you’re allowed to ‘shield’ the ball as long as it is within playing distance even if you haven’t touched it. It’s one I’ve always thought needs changing in that I don’t think you should be deemed in control of the ball until you’ve touched it.
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This is another one that drives me mad as a spectator and a player, especially as it's specifically addressed in the FIFA Laws of the Game:

"A player may shield the ball by taking a position between an opponent and the ball if the ball is within playing distance and the opponent is not held off with the arms or body."

So, when the defender backs into the striker, he's using his body, and when he sticks out his arms to stop the striker getting round him, he's using his arms - both should result in a free kick (or penalty) to the striker. But unlike trifling handball, they don't seem to have any interest in strictly enforcing the rules.

Incidentally, my current approach as a player is just to knock over a defender who's doing this excessively. As long as it's not too aggressive (don't want a yellow), it gives them a free kick right on the line (and often off to the side) which is much worse for them than a goal-kick, and I get less pissed-off.
 
One statement gets me on all of this;

'Should only be reviewed if there is a clear and obvious error by the referee'.

Where did this actually come from?

It doesn't ever have appeared to have happened and to actually check if there's been a 'clear and obvious' error, they have to review it.

And from what we've seen so far, they just take the decision away from the ref anyway.

Asking him to look at something again (or as City v Schalke, just tell him to award a penalty), surely lop-sides his opinion prior to him seeing it again on the VAR screen, especially when someone is advising him through an earpiece that, 'if I was you, I'd have awarded a penalty for that'.

Which then opens up a further discussion on the secrecy of the 'conversation or advise' being administered by the VAR ref, never mind the obvious questions the ref should always ask;

'Have you shown me every available clip?'
or,
'Are there any further clips or angles which may affect my decision?'

So, it would be fair to say that as in other sports, these conversations should be broadcast, so all fans know how the final decision has come about.

Crikey, apologies for all that, the post was only about clear and obvious error and now I want to talk about adding the correct time on!
 
stonerblue said:
Total fucking bonkersness. Said no to 2 season ticket shares because of this shit.
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Dont blame you.

I honestly think this season and the shit VAR will impact upon it will be the breaking point for many match day fans.

Those that matter the most, who pay their money and get to games will be in the dark and left scratching their heads thinking wtf has just happened time and time again and its ridiculous.
 
blueinsa said:
Dont blame you.

I honestly think this season and the shit VAR will impact upon it will be the breaking point for many match day fans.

Those that matter the most, who pay their money and get to games will be in the dark and left scratching their heads thinking wtf has just happened time and time again and its ridiculous.
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I think the fuckingtottenham chumps league fiasco has scarred me for life..
 
stonerblue said:
I think the fuckingtottenham chumps league fiasco has scarred me for life..
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It will rip the spontaneous joy away from the game completely.

I was all for it and its easy to want it when you are on the end of a shitty decision like we have been over the last few years but the reality of it and the realisation that it wont solve all and brings with it even more serious issues like fans at a game not knowing wtf is happening and seeing decisions given and overturned that you still say are wrong leaves you back at the start and thinking you know what, what we had whilst not perfect, worked and at least gave all fans the talking points down the boozer for a few days and by and large they where minimal.

VAR, hawkeye etc works in other sports, its just never going to work in football imo.
 
blueinsa said:
Those that matter the most, who pay their money and get to games will be in the dark and left scratching their heads thinking wtf has just happened time and time again and its ridiculous.
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I seem to remember the PL have said the replays will be shown at PL grounds. *


(*those that can afford screens obviously, semaphore will be used instead in trafford and anfield.)
 
cleavers said:
I seem to remember the PL have said the replays will be shown at PL grounds. *


(*those that can afford screens obviously, semaphore will be used instead in trafford and anfield.)
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It needs more than that mate for those in the ground.

You also need full access to the discussions going on between the officials and VAR booth.

Without it its just not going to work.
 
blueinsa said:
It needs more than that mate for those in the ground.

You also need full access to the discussions going on between the officials and VAR booth.

Without it its just not going to work.
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Oh I agree entirely, but its an improvement that fans will see it at least. However that's what I want, same as rugby, but it also needs a rethink as to what is referred and how, this women's world cup they seem to have taken a totally random route as to what, and its far from pretty.
 
cleavers said:
Oh I agree entirely, but its an improvement that fans will see it at least. However that's what I want, same as rugby, but it also needs a rethink as to what is referred and how, this women's world cup they seem to have taken a totally random route as to what, and its far from pretty.
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Absolutely.

For some reason the womens WC has seen it used to basically re ref any and every decision at times it seems and that is not what it is for.

This toe off side shite has to be done away with as well as its impossible to draw imaginary lines on to a still picture and claim with certainty that a player is offside by literally millimetres and have fans believe it.

Laws of the game will need to be tweaked to accommodate its reasonable and fair introduction and most of all the law makers need to realise that its still a sport that needs to be fair to both attackers and defenders and it isnt a 90 min show in which we are being entertained by the VAR booth and the ref making funny shapes with his hands, holding his ear and changing decisions that should never have been referred in the first place.

Part of me says its a bit deliberate right now and that the scrapping of VAR may well be their ultimate goal but thats just a bit of a conspiracy theory on my part.
 
blueinsa said:
This toe off side shite has to be done away with as well as its impossible to draw imaginary lines on to a still picture and claim with certainty that a player is offside by literally millimetres and have fans believe it.
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The worst of it for me, its gone completely from giving the striker the benefit, or being level, anything less than 20cm offside should be considered part of the game imho, and only the howlers changed (milner last season springs to mind as an example), the frame time on cameras is not quick enough for less than that, the same applies with this foot on the line nonsense at penalties.
 
cleavers said:
The worst of it for, its gone completely from giving the striker the benefit, or being level, anything less than 20cm offside should be considered part of the game imho, and only the howlers changed (milner last season springs to mind as an example), the frame time on cameras is not quick enough for less than that, the same applies with this foot on the line nonsense at penalties.
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I remember the benefit of the doubt has to be with the striker and how more goals scored would improve the game.

Both feet of the striker in front of both feet of the last defender is offisde.

Anything else needs to be play on imo.
 
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