VAR (PL introduction 2019)

blueinsa said:
It will rip the spontaneous joy away from the game completely.

I was all for it and its easy to want it when you are on the end of a shitty decision like we have been over the last few years but the reality of it and the realisation that it wont solve all and brings with it even more serious issues like fans at a game not knowing wtf is happening and seeing decisions given and overturned that you still say are wrong leaves you back at the start and thinking you know what, what we had whilst not perfect, worked and at least gave all fans the talking points down the boozer for a few days and by and large they where minimal.

VAR, hawkeye etc works in other sports, its just never going to work in football imo.
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Do you not think the fans not knowing is deliberate to discredit /build frustration against it. Seem to manage it no problem in Rugby/Cricket, and have done for 15 years so why is it so difficult in football. Rags/Bin Dippers will be the only grounds where fans wont see decisions back, so there wont be transparency on decisions anywhere, which is a joke. Who's that to protect, ill give you 3 guesses, the aforementioned. Everyone knows if this comes in with little controversy then the playing field is levelled and the Cartel clubs will suffer. Second main criticism is the time it takes. Again, in Rugby/Cricket they don't have this stupid thing of the ref trotting across the pitch to relook at decisions and to check they're correct. They verify what's happened and if an error was made its corrected quickly by VAR. Funny that in football they came up with a ludicrous process despite having multiple Best Practices in place, but choose to ignore them all!!
 
Bluearmy said:
Again, in Rugby/Cricket they don't have this stupid thing of the ref trotting across the pitch to relook at decisions and to check they're correct. They verify what's happened and if an error was made its corrected quickly by VAR. Funny that in football they came up with a ludicrous process despite having multiple Best Practices in place, but choose to ignore them all!!
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Rugby and cricket do it differently, Rugby with it being on the screen, and discussed live between VAR and actual referee over an ope Mic come to conclusions together, whilst cricket see's the decision taken off field to the 3rd umpire, with effectively guidance from the on field umpire, ie "given out" and "given not out", and with debatable catches a "soft" decision is given from on field.

Both systems appear to work well, with few complaints, perhaps catches aside, so why football wants to go a route that's markedly different is anyone's guess.
 
cleavers said:
Rugby and cricket do it differently, Rugby with it being on the screen, and discussed live between VAR and actual referee over an ope Mic come to conclusions together, whilst cricket see's the decision taken off field to the 3rd umpire, with effectively guidance from the on field umpire, ie "given out" and "given not out", and with debatable catches a "soft" decision is given from on field.

Both systems appear to work well, with few complaints, perhaps catches aside, so why football wants to go a route that's markedly different is anyone's guess.
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Spot on,you would nearly think it was deliberate to try and discredit VAR,going by the women’s World Cup it’s been farcical at times ...
 
cleavers said:
Rugby and cricket do it differently, Rugby with it being on the screen, and discussed live between VAR and actual referee over an ope Mic come to conclusions together, whilst cricket see's the decision taken off field to the 3rd umpire, with effectively guidance from the on field umpire, ie "given out" and "given not out", and with debatable catches a "soft" decision is given from on field.

Both systems appear to work well, with few complaints, perhaps catches aside, so why football wants to go a route that's markedly different is anyone's guess.
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Exactly, its like there setting it up to fail from the start!! And you can see the public opinion is changing against it due to the way its being implemented. Deliberate??
 
City Raider said:
VAR is as disastrous as the officials have been historically. Is the game so quick, margins so small, it can never have error free officiating? If so just stick with what we have and end this nonsense.
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It just makes me laugh when VAR gives the correct outcome and people can’t handle it.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
It just makes me laugh when VAR gives the correct outcome and people can’t handle it.
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People can handle it fine, the disallowed on is a frozen frame in time, there is no way of knowing when the ball was actually touched, so it should be given, and if you seriously think this is not spoiling football then fair play.
 
Soon managers will have a 'Britain's Got Talent' style buzzer in each dugout that they can press to illuminate a massive "Bullshit" sign in the stadium so the man in the van can double check for them.
 
We’ve got this to look forward to next season. What have they done?
Football has always been about mistakes, from both players and officials. It’s the jeopardy part that makes football what it is. If it’s as bad as I think it will be, it’ll be my last season next year. Division 3, Stockport, York City, Phil Neal, Alan Ball, Frank Clark, Billy McNeill, Jimmy Frizzel and Stuart Pearce never came close to making me stop going to City for 40+ years. 1 season of VAR and I think I’ll be done.....
 
City Raider said:
VAR is as disastrous as the officials have been historically. Is the game so quick, margins so small, it can never have error free officiating? If so just stick with what we have and end this nonsense.
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How has it been disastrous? Any issue you can name with it is down to the use of it and not the technology itself. VAR and its users need to be separated. VAR is a tool, and like any tool it can only be as good as the officials utilising and interpreting it.
 
City Raider said:
VAR is as disastrous as the officials have been historically. Is the game so quick, margins so small, it can never have error free officiating? If so just stick with what we have and end this nonsense.
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Not for me. Despite the controversy VAR has got the vast majority of decisions correct. Taking far too long no doubt and IMO I think that's deliberate to try and discredit it, don't fall for it!! It will work in our favour big time long term!!
 
For all those who are saying "would you rather have a wrong decision" YES I F**KIN WOULD. These millimetre decisions, handball EVERY time it hits the hand, etc etc is an utter farce. Those who can't see it's killing the game how it is at the moments can't have been watching football very long. The argument that if it's offside, it's offside is utter bollox. Let's not forget the VAR technology isn't 100% accurate either - as in cricket - that's why they have umpires call decisions. That Cameroon call, Sterling's goal v spurs (the Aguero offside) etc are too close to say the technology is correct. It's only 90-95% correct so in cricket they give a percentage of leeway - e.g. half a balls width. If football doesn't follow this simple rule then it's going to continue to be an absolute farce. Anyone who can say this is a good thing for football is watching a different game - just in my opinion (which might be wrong as everyone's might) but it's killing the game for me
 
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cleavers said:
People can handle it fine, the disallowed on is a frozen frame in time, there is no way of knowing when the ball was actually touched, so it should be given, and if you seriously think this is not spoiling football then fair play.
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Nope. I don’t think so. I think it’s adding to the entertainment if anything.

Attendance and viewing figures won’t be affected. Just a lot of hot air on forums.
 
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