VAR (PL introduction 2019)

bluealf said:
Which right-minded person decided that ankle raker wasn't a red card?

If the ref who has looked at the replays for 3 minutes can't see it then she should hand her card back in and retire, the person who was viewing in the TV room should be sacked on the spot.
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Therein lies the problem. Lack of consistency.

One linesman flags straight away and doesn't give the attacking team the chance to score and have it reviewed. Another one keeps the flag down and the attacking team get the chance.

What is a foul to one ref isn't a foul to another (we've seen this with studio refs).

Offsides are being given which are a matter of millimetres but the technology isn't really there to be able to distinguish to that tiny amount.

I was quite in favour of it when I thought it was going to be used to check clear and obvious errors. To rule out blatant mistakes. It shouldn't be used for extremely marginal decisions IMO.
 
The officials were a shambles, V A R is not what the fans expected it to be, you can scrap it now for me, i'm sick of it.

On the bright side England won, and the dirty fuckers are going home.
 
cleavers said:
People can handle it fine, the disallowed on is a frozen frame in time, there is no way of knowing when the ball was actually touched, so it should be given, and if you seriously think this is not spoiling football then fair play.
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BlueHammer85 said:
Wrong. Walking out of a stadium when the other team have scored a blatant offside/penalty that shouldn’t have been ,has totally spoiled the occasion.
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Yep, its ruined the game for me and many others for years and years.......
 
newfaceinhell said:
The officials were a shambles, V A R is not what the fans expected it to be, you can scrap it now for me, i'm sick of it.

On the bright side England won, and the dirty fuckers are going home.
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This is what they want you to do, don't fall for it!!
 
KnaresboroughBlue said:
Therein lies the problem. Lack of consistency.

One linesman flags straight away and doesn't give the attacking team the chance to score and have it reviewed. Another one keeps the flag down and the attacking team get the chance.

What is a foul to one ref isn't a foul to another (we've seen this with studio refs).

Offsides are being given which are a matter of millimetres but the technology isn't really there to be able to distinguish to that tiny amount.

I was quite in favour of it when I thought it was going to be used to check clear and obvious errors. To rule out blatant mistakes. It shouldn't be used for extremely marginal decisions IMO.
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I agree with the bolded part and have stated as such on here, in fact it was the England match possibly Dutch game.

As for the fouls, there is no REF in the world that shouldn't see that as a foul while watching it on replay, it isn't inconsistency, that ref just wanted out of the ground without any more hassle from the players and the coach.
 
I think the referees in this tournament have shown the worse of VAR, I’m not a massive fan of it either really but these referees have no idea what they’re doing with it, time taken for each decision is ridiculous.
 
Hart of the Matter said:
God you are naive . VAR is used by people. It is not separate. So many decisions by humans:
What should be reviewed?
How far back do you take play in a build up?
Which frame do you use to freeze for offside?
Then the decisions themselves.
All require human judgement free from bias and corruption. Potential to stitch us up even more as we have already seen.
All this and it all detracts from the moment.
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If you fall into this trap now the Cartel win... This is exactly what they are trying to achieve. Don't fall for it
 
bluealf said:
I agree with the bolded part and have stated as such on here, in fact it was the England match possibly Dutch game.

As for the fouls, there is no REF in the world that shouldn't see that as a foul while watching it on replay, it isn't inconsistency, that ref just wanted out of the ground without any more hassle from the players and the coach.
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I agree. Clearly a straight red but you'd find some ref that would argue against it. I just have a recollection of Walton in the studio trying to justify some ridiculous refereeing decisions. If the refs on the pitch aren't competent, those in the VAR office probably aren't any better.
 
newfaceinhell said:
The officials were a shambles, V A R is not what the fans expected it to be, you can scrap it now for me, i'm sick of it.

On the bright side England won, and the dirty fuckers are going home.
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Which without VAR might not have happened!! Cameroon would have scored an offside goal for starters, England would of had one ruled out incorrectly and the game would have been completely different and they would of had their tails up!!
 
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wattle said:
Blatant offside? 1mm that might have been wrong when you consider it's not 100% because of angles, parts of the body. I recon you've got shares in VAR
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Correct, the 2 (offside) decisions this afternoon were anything but blatant or obvious, mm or cm and that's the issue.

Blatant I think everyone is fine with, and until the technology can prove to the mm its correct, it shouldn't be happening.

Imagine what the crowd reaction is going to be like if decisions like that decide a PL title in the final game of the season ?
 
KnaresboroughBlue said:
I agree. Clearly a straight red but you'd find some ref that would argue against it. I just have a recollection of Walton in the studio trying to justify some ridiculous refereeing decisions. If the refs on the pitch aren't competent, those in the VAR office probably aren't any better.
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You are right. But that's not a VAR issue, what VAR is doing is highlighting how inconsistent Refs are! Hopefully that will lead to better refereeing eventually... If we scrpa it now that possibility is lost forever and the Cartel win!!
 
cleavers said:
Correct, the 2 (offside) decisions this afternoon were anything but blatant or obvious, mm or cm and that's the issue.

Blatant I think everyone is fine with, and until the technology can prove to the mm its correct, it shouldn't be happening.

Imagine what the crowd reaction is going to be like if decisions like that decide a PL title in the final game of the season ?
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Wrong, no blatant or obvious on offsides. Its a line call. Tech proved it was off, correct decisions 100%
 
cleavers said:
Correct, the 2 (offside) decisions this afternoon were anything but blatant or obvious, mm or cm and that's the issue.

Blatant I think everyone is fine with, and until the technology can prove to the mm its correct, it shouldn't be happening.

Imagine what the crowd reaction is going to be like if decisions like that decide a PL title in the final game of the season ?
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Or a champions league semi-final...

OH!
 
I supported VAR as I believed it would provide protection against incompetent or corrupt officials by correcting blatantly incorrect decisions. Not that it would be used for millimetre tight decisions which you can't really blame the officials for missing. It shouldn't be used to referee the game but just correct poor mistakes.

It is being used much more often than I expected and it seems to be making officials rely on it rather than making their own decisions. It's not the technology that's wrong but the implementation.
 
What is worrying is that for the foul on Houghton, the ref didn’t even give a card until VAR looked at it for a possible red. Ref then waved a yellow for some bizarre reason. Cameroon should have had at least three red, one for the elbow, one for the foul at the end then for one for their captain for screaming and ranting at the ref at the end
 
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